why do sellers change asking price to sold after a sale?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I’m not offended, I just don’t understand the value of this data and why people care so deeply rather than have a casual opinion. It’s a tiny amount of cards, which are mostly members ‘junk’, stuff people are just trying to move easily. It’s rare something sells here for which the pricing information would be legitimately useful and would help establish what a card is ‘worth’.

An auction house can do whatever they want with their sales data; it’s their data. They show it because it is in their fiscal interest to do so.

I have bought these here and many more of this caliber. I doubt they would be junk to most.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have bought these here and many more of this caliber. I doubt they would be junk to most.

You actually but that junk here? Sucker.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

You actually but that junk here? Sucker.

It was like grazing the junk bins at a show, I am almost ashamed to admit it.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It was like grazing the junk bins at a show, I am almost ashamed to admit it.

Well you showed a lot of guts to post those here and to admit to such behavior. We will forever be referring to you as a junk collector.

[G1911]

Scroll through the BST listings. Most of it is the relative ‘junk’, which is what I collect and love. It’s not unique items, it’s not incredibly rare cards, it’s not things difficult to price. It’s people unloading their extras and some commodity HOFers. Nobody is going to Net54 and searching through old BST posts to figure out what an N162 Cap Anson is worth; there are obvious and much better alternatives that are organized and have actual sample sizes. A small unorganized forum BST is not a real pricing tool. Whether a T206 sold for $75 or $85 does not tell you anything about the market value, it’s not changed by a random sale here.


I do not care if an auction house shares its sale records with VCP. I do not think anyone is obligated to give me or others any of their data and information on anything.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Scroll through the BST listings. Most of it is the relative ‘junk’, which is what I collect and love. It’s not unique items, it’s not incredibly rare cards, it’s not things difficult to price. It’s people unloading their extras and some commodity HOFers. Nobody is going to Net54 and searching through old BST posts to figure out what an N162 Cap Anson is worth; there are obvious and much better alternatives that are organized and have actual sample sizes. A small unorganized forum BST is not a real pricing tool. Whether a T206 sold for $75 or $85 does not tell you anything about the market value, it’s not changed by a random sale here.


I do not care if an auction house shares its sale records with VCP. I do not think anyone is obligated to give me or others any of their data and information on anything.

I see graded a Ruth, Wagner, Mathewson and Young in the first category I opened on the first page without even scrolling down.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I see graded a Ruth, Wagner, Mathewson and Young in the first category I opened on the first page without even scrolling down.

Which of these cards are difficult to price?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Which of these cards are difficult to price?

There probably isn't a hell of a lot of data in a particular grade for a lot of prewar cards like these where sales are few and far between. These are not for the most part commodity cards. And who says that's the issue, you've decided it was the issue but it isn't. The issue is why deprive people of information to accommodate a buyer looking to suppress data in order to try to overprice.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There probably isn't a hell of a lot of data in a particular grade for a lot of prewar cards like these where sales are few and far between. These are not for the most part commodity cards. And who says that's the issue, you've decided it was the issue but it isn't.

Okay. Do you want to argue that most cards on the BST are difficult to price or big cards?

Yes, that’s the issue? There’s not been any answer. If people are upset that prices are sometimes removed after a sale, the question of how that information is actually useful seems obviously relevant. If it’s a problem, it should be extremely easy to answer how, no? There’s a handful cards certainly that I can see the use, but the vast majority of cards here have actual pricing information in actual organized databases. When looking to value an N162 Anson, do you search through the BST, or do you use an easily available database that is actually organized and designed to fulfill this purpose?

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by G1911

Scroll through the BST listings. Most of it is the relative ‘junk’, which is what I collect and love. It’s not unique items, it’s not incredibly rare cards, it’s not things difficult to price. It’s people unloading their extras and some commodity HOFers. Nobody is going to Net54 and searching through old BST posts to figure out what an N162 Cap Anson is worth; there are obvious and much better alternatives that are organized and have actual sample sizes. A small unorganized forum BST is not a real pricing tool. Whether a T206 sold for $75 or $85 does not tell you anything about the market value, it’s not changed by a random sale here.


I do not care if an auction house shares its sale records with VCP. I do not think anyone is obligated to give me or others any of their data and information on anything.

And this is where we differ, clearly. I think the market suffers if sales data is not provided and feel the availability of the data has allowed the industry to mature. Not sure how you have as efficient a market absent sales data or some type of actual price point.

Again...I see quite a lot of what I would call significant cards offered for sale on BST so reducing this to a $75 T206 common is really not relevant.

So should real estate transactions not be disclosed? What about stock trades? Different markets but I think providing information on a sale in a commerce related industry makes everyone a more informed participant.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

And this is where we differ, clearly. I think the market suffers if sales data is not provided and feel the availability of the data has allowed the industry to mature. Not sure how you have as efficient a market absent sales data or some type of actual price point.

Again...I see quite a lot of what I would call significant cards offered for sale on BST so reducing this to a $75 T206 common is really not relevant.

So should real estate transactions not be disclosed? What about stock trades? Different markets but I think providing information on a sale in a commerce related industry makes everyone a more informed participant.

I’m a dude who collects cardboard pictures for fun, I don’t care about the efficiency of a profit market whatsoever.

I am sure we are all wells ware there’s a lot more $75 items sold than $1000 ones or whatever line you would like to draw. The majority of the more expensive cards are commodity cards that are easily priced.

I’m losing the logic here. You believe any sale price of any item in any industry must be disclosed publicly and documented for the public? One can think whatever they want but I sure don’t have time to do that. Do I need to make a publicly available database for my lunch receipts? Do you need to know what I paid for my furniture at a garage sale?

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by G1911

I’m a dude who collects cardboard pictures for fun, I don’t care about the efficiency of a profit market whatsoever.

I am sure we are all wells ware there’s a lot more $75 items sold than $1000 ones or whatever line you would like to draw. The majority of the more expensive cards are commodity cards that are easily priced.

I’m losing the logic here. You believe any sale price of any item in any industry must be disclosed publicly and documented for the public? One can think whatever they want but I sure don’t have time to do that. Do I need to make a publicly available database for my lunch receipts? Do you need to know what I paid for my furniture at a garage sale?

You are a moving target, as usual.

I never even suggested the pricing data on BST was necessary because it is not available anywhere else. My point, which you apparently disagree with completely is that sales data of some sort should be made available because without it, buyers and sellers would be lost and the more the merrier. If it were not wanted and warranted it would not be seen in almost every venue in this industry.

And to your increasingly ridiculous points, let's take the lunch receipts example. How would it work out for you if the places you walked into for lunch pulled down their prices after each person bought an item and you had to ask an employee how much is the BLT? So yes I actually would love to see a database of those lunch receipts in that scenario.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

You are a moving target, as usual.

I never even suggested the pricing data on BST was necessary because it is not available anywhere else. My point, which you apparently disagree with completely is that sales data of some sort should be made available because without it, buyers and sellers would be lost and the more the merrier. If it were not wanted and warranted it would not be seen in almost every venue in this industry.

And to your increasingly ridiculous points, let's take the lunch receipts example. How would it work out for you if the places you walked into for lunch pulled down their prices after each person bought an item and you had to ask an employee how much is the BLT? So yes I actually would love to see a database of those lunch receipts in that scenario.

I have no interest in trading insults with you still.

If the pricing data is readily available in the databases with infinitely larger sample sizes than this unorganized BST forum, what is the point in using this unorganized BST for pricing instead? That just doesn’t make any sense to me. It would seem to be a logical prerequisite that the data isn’t available in better organized formats for it to be any useful here. I am not against pricing data, I don’t think anyone is required to give me or an organization their data and I don’t really care. I don’t and never have used VCP. I manage to price most cards fairly easily by following and participating in the hobby in real time for the sets I am collecting, but maybe that’s a struggle for other areas of the hobby. Must be kind of a mess searching key terms in the forum to pull BST threads and check them to price instead of using the easy methods.


I don’t understand how furniture and lunch are ridiculous but transactions in “a commerce related industry”, should or need to be disclosed publicly. Is that not commercial industry? If you are limiting to cards, stocks and real estate why are we using “in a commerce related industry”? Do I need to confess every private card transaction I’ve had to not be “ridiculous” or a “super douche”? Do I need to share this list of private deals on Net54, or other places too? I guess I just don’t care about other peoples private business as much as others do.