Wander Franco...

[todeen]

Originally Posted by JustinD

People are often blind to logic. These are the same flippers or fans that are thinking they can buy the dip and get a card at a fraction of the price and it will return to normal. It's pure and utter speculation gambling. Yes, they are selling for 300 bucks in the dump off, however these exact same cards were selling for a minimum of 10 times that just weeks earlier.



If you are a novice and think he really could return, buying a 4-5k card on August 10th for just 300 bucks on August 17th seems like a steal. Really I see no chance for that holding as it dies down, but until a completion comes to the case people will still be trying to make a buck.



Hell, people are still buying Henry Ruggs III cards for 300 bucks if they are rare enough, look it up. People are just odd.

Second this opinion.

I would not "buy the dip" in this case. What a stupid term, I've never really liked it while talking about cards. They do exist, but this one feels very different than a sophomore slump. The 2008 - 2013 dip years had some fantastic deals if you had money to spend.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

More a falling knife than a dip.

[Shoeless Moe]

What about Kobe "the Rapist" Bryant and Ben "the Rapist" Rothleisburger.

Their stuff still goes for a premium.

Oh that's right.....if you pay your victim/accuser off then it lessens it.

Both scumbags.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

What about Kobe "the Rapist" Bryant and Ben "the Rapist" Rothleisburger.



Their stuff still goes for a premium.



Oh that's right.....if you pay your victim/accuser off then it lessens it.



Both scumbags.

Not disagreeing with you. But I don't collect those sports. As a Reds fan, I chose not to collect Pete Rose. The more I hear about him, the less I can stomach him as an athlete.

I also think MLB Commissioner is trying to be less forgiving than football and basketball. What he did to Bauer for lesser charges appears to be where Franco is headed.

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[ronniehatesjazz]

Originally Posted by todeen

Not disagreeing with you. But I don't collect those sports. As a Reds fan, I chose not to collect Pete Rose. The more I hear about him, the less I can stomach him as an athlete.

I also think MLB Commissioner is trying to be less forgiving than football and basketball. What he did to Bauer for lesser charges appears to be where Franco is headed.

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I’m the same way Tim… from Cincinnati and a huge Reds fan. Always thought Rose was scum but he was like a god in the city when I was a kid, and that was after his banishment. I never cared for Rose but had to respect him for the record and what he meant to Cincinnati. I have just continually lost respect for him for all sorts of reasons since he finally admitted to gambling. What’s worse than that though is when I learned he was more-or-less Wander before Wander.

[Peter_Spaeth]

How clear was the evidence against Rose regarding underage girls? I thought it was based on some questionable hearsay only? I know he did admit to a relationship with someone just above the age of consent, which though distasteful to most was not criminal if his version is credited as to her age at the time. But the other stuff about 12 year olds at spring training seemed dubious.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by todeen

Second this opinion.

I would not "buy the dip" in this case. What a stupid term, I've never really liked it while talking about cards. They do exist, but this one feels very different than a sophomore slump. The 2008 - 2013 dip years had some fantastic deals if you had money to spend.

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I used "buy the dip" to infer sarcasm toward the card investor crowd, not in a real way. I love to read Wall Street Bets on reddit for a laugh and it's now ingrained in my memory as a fun noob identifier.

[rjackson44]

theres a guy that paid 200 k for some orange super fractor,wonder how he feels .oh boy

[packs]

If it comes out that these rumors are only rumors I don't see it staining Franco long term. Especially if he continues to produce when he's back. Otherwise, any substantiation of the rumors will cost him his career.

He isn't at a point in his career where he can be compared to Kobe Bryant or Mike Tyson or anyone else like that. Even Jerry Seinfeld has managed to make people forget he dated a 17 year old high school senior while he was 39 years old.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

If it comes out that these rumors are only rumors I don't see it staining Franco long term. Especially if he continues to produce when he's back. Otherwise, any substantiation of the rumors will cost him his career.

He isn't at a point in his career where he can be compared to Kobe Bryant or Mike Tyson or anyone else like that. Even Jerry Seinfeld has managed to make people forget he dated a 17 year old high school senior while he was 39 years old.

It's the post-factual world, the narrative is set. Bauer's case turned into not only a not guilty, but the accusers own phone proved that he was completely innocent and she lied. It doesn't matter. He's still kicked out of the league, dumped on, and half+ don't care whatsoever because the idea he is guilty is more comeaptivel with their desire and worldview. Once the media has him labelled a pedo, nothing will exonerate his reputation. He could be the most innocent man on Earth but it wouldn't matter.

Kobe, Tyson, Seinfeld are from a different time.

[packs]

Bauer I don’t think is an apt comparison only because he admitted to the activities described just not that they weren’t consensual. I think his banishment has a lot to do with public opinions about his interests. Whether that’s appropriate or not is up for debate. But I’m not sure there’s much in common.

[Peter_Spaeth]

For better or worse, even best case, I think it's also going to be more difficult for a guy who (as I understand it) speaks limited English and will be perceived by many people as foreign to resurrect himself with the American public. Kobe, Tyson, Seinfeld were iconic figures. Not so a Spanish-speaking guy from the Dominican.

[packs]

It’s baseball though and he is one of the most exciting players in the game and seen as a generational talent. If he is fully exonerated I don’t know what people would hold on to after he’s exonerated.

If he did do something illegal then I think he can look at Luke Heimlich and see his future in baseball.