There goes the Judge

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

I was talking about his ability to produce, not hit 62 or more home runs again. As I said, his OPS+ at time of injury was 195. You don't have to hit 62 home runs every season to be worth a big contract. He's the only one to do that, so why would that be the criteria?

He played 49 games this year and is still currently third in the AL in home runs.

It's the criteria because it is the one you chose to use with the words you wrote. We'll quote that back again too:

Originally Posted by packs

I just feel like the criticisms are out of whack. Judge hit 62 homers and his OPS+ was 212. He was twice as good as the average player in the league.

Even if he put up those numbers again once during the lifetime of his contract, who else in the league is capable of doing that at all?

It still sometimes amazes me that so many posters do not seem to understand a forum thread records what was said. Your directly stated justification for why you cannot understand criticism of the contract is Judge's 62 dingers and 212 OPS+ before signing the contract. Your second paragraph is arguing that even if only does it once more, it's a good deal.

[packs]

Originally Posted by G1911

It's the criteria because it is the one you chose to use with the words you wrote. We'll quote that back again too:



It still sometimes amazes me that so many posters do not seem to understand a forum thread records what was said. Your directly stated justification for why you cannot understand criticism of the contract is Judge's 62 dingers and 212 OPS+ before signing the contract. Your second paragraph is arguing that even if only does it once more, it's a good deal.

Again, I was talking about production. And yeah, if he leads the league in homers, RBI's, on base, slugging, OPS and OPS+ again, the deal's worth it. It doesn't matter if the numbers are exactly the same, it's the production.

I guess I should have clarified but I didn't realize things could get so pedantic.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

Again, I was talking about production. I mentioned his OPS+ of 212. That's what I meant by repeat, not 62 home runs. And yeah, if he leads the league in homers, RBI's, on base, slugging, OPS and OPS+ again, the deal's worth it. It doesn't matter if the numbers are exactly the same, it's the production.

I guess I should have clarified but I didn't realize things could get so pedantic.

Then state your argument and reasons correctly. People can only respond to what people actually say, not a version thought up later when the former statements become inconvenient. If we want to use your OPS+ measure and ignore your HR statements (as it is pedantry to look at what is actually written) instead, it is also very unlikely that Judge will be posting such lofty OPS+'s in full seasons. Very unlikely. Maybe it will happen, but expecting the absolute best possible outcomes and ignoring everything else usually is exactly what makes for a very bad contract.

Good for Judge, he got his payday and leveraged the record into one that forced the Yankees to pay up big time for the politics of it. The downsides of the contract from a team perspective should be immediately obvious, whether one thinks it good or bad in the end.

[packs]

What team perspective are you talking about though? A team has to keep its fans happy, right? How do you think Yankee fans would have reacted to the team not signing Judge after the season he had?

I don't see the stretch you do. He was having another monster season this year and he finished 4th in MVP voting in 2021 before winning in 2022.

This isn't a Chris Davis situation where so much is unknown.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

What team perspective are you talking about though? A team has to keep its fans happy, right? How do you think Yankee fans would have reacted to the team not signing Judge after the season he had?

I don't see the stretch you do. He was having another monster season this year and he finished 4th in MVP voting in 2021 before winning in 2022.

This isn't a Chris Davis situation where so much is unknown.

The teams perspective means the perspective of the only team in discussion. I do not know how that could possibly be made any more clear. It is not in the Yankees interest to pay buckets of cash to a guy on the injury list. I cannot fathom what there is to argue there.

In my first post here I said very, very directly and succinctly why the team did it and that it was good PR to resign the guy who broke a big record the team has owned for like a century. I don’t know how I could be any more direct in the English language.

Even the greatest players in all of history do not have years like Judge’s 2022 routinely. It’s cool you think otherwise, but almost nobody else will. He’s a greatly talented player who struggles to stay in the line up. His 2023 is a perfect example of the blatantly obvious downsides to this deal. I like him. I hope he does it. I also look at reality.

[robw1959]

The blame for this injury falls squarely on the Yankees. What other team has a 6" raised concrete curb in front of their outfield wall? Just unbelievable, and I am surprised it hasn't happened before to some other outfielder.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by robw1959

The blame for this injury falls squarely on the Yankees. What other team has a 6" raised concrete curb in front of their outfield wall? Just unbelievable, and I am surprised it hasn't happened before to some other outfielder.

I think you mean the Dodgers since the injury happened at Dodger Stadium.