Potential HOFers for active players

[Peter_Spaeth]

DeGrom?

Tatis should be on the get back to me in 5 list IMO.

[packs]

I don’t think either Greinke or Votto are “in right now”. If either of them get in I think it will be after a few years on the ballot.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by packs

I don’t think either Greinke or Votto are “in right now”. If either of them get in I think it will be after a few years on the ballot.

Greinke has 77 WAR / 220+ Wins / nearly 2900+ Strikeouts. That is about the best that a modern pitcher can hope for. He's a lock.

For comparison, Kershaw has 77 WAR / 203 Wins / 2876 K.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I would feel very safe wagering on Greinke and Votto, though I agree they likely won't be first ballot choices.

[jayshum]

Tatis, Jr is not mentioned by Stark, probably because of his PED suspension.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Tatis, Jr is not mentioned by Stark, probably because of his PED suspension.

Perhaps, but I doubt it will keep him out 25 years from now should he have a great career.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Perhaps, but I doubt it will keep him out 25 years from now should he have a great career.

You may be right that eventually there will be enough writers who don't care. I just started a new thread with a poll about who will be the first voted in with a PED suspension. Could be Tatis.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by todeen

Greinke has 77 WAR / 220+ Wins / nearly 2900+ Strikeouts. That is about the best that a modern pitcher can hope for. He's a lock.

For comparison, Kershaw has 77 WAR / 203 Wins / 2876 K.

Kershaw win pct .690- Greinke.605
Kershaw ERA 2.49- Greinke 3.44
Kershaw ERA+ 156- Greinke 122

Kershaw also has 3 Cy Youngs.

Greinke was good but hes not in Kershaw's league.

[Huck]

Joey Votto?

[packs]

Yeah I don’t see a comparison to Kershaw. Clearly a superior pitcher despite the stats picked. I think Greinke will get in after a while like Rolen did but that doesn’t scream “in right now” to me.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Huck

Joey Votto?

Agreed to me a VOtto should not even be on the list

[packs]

Votto really benefits from advanced stats and his ability to walk. But even though those stats are often cited as justification I can’t help but feel like there is something artificial about Votto in the sense that he isn’t really that good.

[G1911]

I think Greinke is a lock now. There are not 300 game winners anymore. Kershaw is not the standard of a HOF SP.

DeGrom is probably a no. He is 35, has pitched 4 complete seasons and still struggles to actually pitch without getting injured. Even by today's standards of starting pitchers, he barely plays. He's won 10 games 4 times. He's pitched 1,356 innings. I have to assume more than 25% of voters will look at stats that are not rate stats and notice he's barely played.

Votto seems likely to get in and has the momentum. Pujols and Cabrera are not the standard for a HOF 1B and never have been. Mickey Mantle is not below HOF standard because Willie Mays was better.

Altuve and Correa will likely come to politics rather performance, and politics in 20 years is unpredictable.

Yellich is 31 and has been average to alright for 4 years now. I am not seeing how this is a realistic candidacy at this point. Who was the last guy to make the HOF on the basis of 2 years performance amidst a career of mediocrity?

Goldschmidt is getting very close to a lock.