Card doctoring video

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

The same reason you don't see hardly anyone else here and on Blowout voicing their opinion despite a large percentage of collectors saying they see nothing wrong with it in anonymous polls. They see the public outlash and don't want that pointed in their direction. Hell, just look no further than this very thread to see people calling me names and accusing me being a trimmer despite the fact that I've made it very clear multiple times that I do not condone this activity and consider it unethical.

What's interesting though is that in other hobbies, alterations and restorations are disclosed with pride. In the casino chip collecting world, the words "cleaned and oiled" will often even result in a slightly higher price than chips which haven't been restored.

I know nothing about cleaning or oiling casino chips, but trimming -- actually removing part of an original item -- seems to me in a different category altogether. In any event, at least historically, most alterations have been viewed negatively by most people with respect to sportscards. People prefer to differentiate cards by how well they have withstood the rigors of time, not by the skill of the card doctor.

[G1911]

A large public outlash would very strongly suggest that alteration is material. Yes, it is the scammers who are the victim when people say they should be held accountable for their frauds .

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

A large public outlash would very strongly suggest that alteration is material. Yes, it is the scammers who are the victim when people say they should be held accountable for their frauds .

It's extraordinarily hard for me to believe that if you took, just for example, a PSA 8 mid 60s Mantle and sold it alongside another of the same card and grade but disclosed it had been trimmed, there would not be a significant price disparity.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Mathis on the interview circuit now. I haven't listened to it but it's been summarized as a lot of rationalization.


https://open.spotify.com/episode/6Ql...SvWU4XRkF4DQGg

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's extraordinarily hard for me to believe that if you took, just for example, a PSA 8 mid 60s Mantle and sold it alongside another of the same card and grade but disclosed it had been trimmed, there would not be a significant price disparity.

It’s extraordinarily hard for anyone who isn’t a shill for the fraudsters to understand, because it is obviously and completely false. It only makes sense when one has a vested interest in supporting fraud and must conclude this.

[glynparson]

I quit reading at some point but could someone please tell this idiot that not everything is an opinion. a fact is not a god damn opinion you f’ing moron.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by glynparson

I quit reading at some point but could someone please tell this idiot that not everything is an opinion. a fact is not a god damn opinion you f’ing moron.

I tried to do that Glyn, what Bill was accused of is laid out right in the indictment, so denying it is not a matter of somehow having a different opinion, it's just wrong on the facts.

The definition of fraud, and mail and wire fraud, is also a matter of fact.

Of course, when one asks whether it SHOULD be applied to prosecute card doctoring, then one is in the realm of opinion.