Card doctoring video

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndil/pr...l-bidding-scam

Read the discussion of the Wagner.

Here, I'll make it easy for you.

The T206-series Wagner card is considered one of the world’s most expensive trading cards. Mastro admitted in the plea agreement that he cut the card’s side borders, and then concealed this information when he sold the card in 1987. Mastro again failed to disclose his alteration even after participating in subsequent auctions of the card in 1991 and 2000. The sale in 2000 produced a purchase price of more than $1 million, according to the plea agreement. Mastro also failed to disclose that he cut the Wagner card again in 1992, even though he was aware that the card had been submitted to become the first baseball card assigned a grade based on the condition of the card.

He admitted to that, no doubt. But was he charged with that as a crime? I am not seeing that. Not trying to be difficult, I don't see it.

"The former owner and CEO of a sports memorabilia auction house was sentenced Thursday to 20 months in federal prison for using phony bids to fraudulently inflate the price of his company’s listings at auction."

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

He admitted to that, no doubt. But was he charged with that as a crime? I am not seeing that. Not trying to be difficult, I don't see it.

"The former owner and CEO of a sports memorabilia auction house was sentenced Thursday to 20 months in federal prison for using phony bids to fraudulently inflate the price of his company’s listings at auction."

Are you reading some press account? The plea agreement sets forth what he was charged with and pled guilty to. It's right there. He was charged with it (see also indictment) and pled guilty to it. Do you think he admitted it just for the hell of it?

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Are you reading some press account? The plea agreement sets forth what he was charged with and pled guilty to. It's right there. He was charged with it (see also indictment) and pled guilty to it. Do you think he admitted it just for the hell of it?

It may have been part of the plea deal to admit that piece, I don't know.

The charge is mail fraud, which he plead to. I believe that ties to the shill bidding, not the card altering.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

It may have been part of the plea deal to admit that piece, I don't know.

The charge is mail fraud, which he plead to. I believe that ties to the shill bidding, not the card altering.

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about at this point, honestly. None. You should stop. The mail fraud charges include the Wagner, I assure you. They're in the indictment and they're in the plea agreement. You might be on more solid footing arguing the earth is flat.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about at this point, honestly. None. You should stop. The mail fraud charges include the Wagner, I assure you. They're in the indictment and they're in the plea agreement. You might be on more solid footing arguing the earth is flat.

Wait. The earth isn’t flat?!?! My feelings are that it is flat and thus it is; there is no objective discernible reality outside of my narrative.


I understand not caring personally if a card is trimmed. I understand doing business with crooks. I understand being unable to follow what the laws are and being too stupid to recognize a claim is false. But I will never understand why some people simp so hard and so often for a company that doesn’t have them on payroll.

[Snowman]

A trimmer could sell a card to someone and inform them that the card has been trimmed. The buyer could then send the card in for grading with a sticky note attached that reads, "I was told this card was trimmed when I bought it" and it wouldn't make one bit of difference. The grader is going to completely disregard the sticky note and will ultimately make their determination based on the observable evidence of the card itself.