A's headed to Las Vegas

[isiahfan]

Better be a covered stadium because even at 7pm in August it's over 100

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by isiahfan

Better be a covered stadium because even at 7pm in August it's over 100

they did say it would be a max 35K seated stadium with a retractable roof

[rjackson44]

as an oakland fan they can play in heaven ,,they stink

[steve B]

How things have changed.

At one point Mays was "banned" because he invested in and did some PR stuff for a casino. Welcome back when that all ended.
Having a franchise in Vegas would have been nearly unthinkable.

Now? No problem.

Gambling money is paying for that, one way or another.
Baseball pretty much isn't baseball anymore.

To avoid the obvious hypocrisy they should have and induction ceremony for both Jackson and Rose during the home opener.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by steve B

How things have changed.

At one point Mays was "banned" because he invested in and did some PR stuff for a casino. Welcome back when that all ended.
Having a franchise in Vegas would have been nearly unthinkable.

Now? No problem.

Gambling money is paying for that, one way or another.
Baseball pretty much isn't baseball anymore.

To avoid the obvious hypocrisy they should have and induction ceremony for both Jackson and Rose during the home opener.

I wouldn't agree with it but someone could make a case for Rose, but Jackson took a bribe to throw World Series games, no way he ever gets in.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Jim65

I wouldn't agree with it but someone could make a case for Rose, but Jackson took a bribe to throw World Series games, no way he ever gets in.

The case against Rose is far stronger than that against Jackson. There is no evidence Jackson took any money and he sure didn't do anything to throw the World Series. He hit .375, had 12 hits, the most of any player, 18 total bases, also most of any player, and hit the series' only HR. He also made no errors in the field.

Rose bet on his own team and when he didn't bet on the Reds, gamblers knew he wasn't going to be trying to manage to win, so they would bet against the Reds. His actions directly affect the game on the field, in contrast to Jackson who always played to win.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by rats60

The case against Rose is far stronger than that against Jackson. There is no evidence Jackson took any money and he sure didn't do anything to throw the World Series. He hit .375, had 12 hits, the most of any player, 18 total bases, also most of any player, and hit the series' only HR. He also made no errors in the field.

Rose bet on his own team and when he didn't bet on the Reds, gamblers knew he wasn't going to be trying to manage to win, so they would bet against the Reds. His actions directly affect the game on the field, in contrast to Jackson who always played to win.

Theres no evidence he took any money? Jackson admitted taking $5000 from Lefty Williams and his batting average is not evidence of anything, a player doesn't need to to make an out in every AB, only ones that matter, especially when pitchers are in on the fix. Jackson said he was double-crossed for the other $15000 that he was promised. Hes just as guilty as the rest.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by steve B

How things have changed.

At one point Mays was "banned" because he invested in and did some PR stuff for a casino. Welcome back when that all ended.
Having a franchise in Vegas would have been nearly unthinkable.

Now? No problem.

Gambling money is paying for that, one way or another.
Baseball pretty much isn't baseball anymore.

To avoid the obvious hypocrisy they should have and induction ceremony for both Jackson and Rose during the home opener.

Believe that Mantle was involved with that also. Would have been curious to see how MLB would have treated Mays if he alone was involved, and not Mantle as well.

And as to your last point regarding Joe Jackson and Pete Rose, I've been saying for years that Jackson, in particular, got screwed by MLB. And especially by his then team owner, Comiskey, to whom Jackson reported what had happened, and even tried to return the money he was given, but had never asked for. Instead of turning around and reporting the fixing activities to the then AL President, Ban Johnson, or anyone else in baseball's hierarchy at the time, Comiskey asked Jackson to say nothing to anyone about it, and then kept it from everyone else as well, so he could continue to keep his team together, and the money he was making off of it. When the fixing issues finally came out, MLB punished Jackson, an involuntary party to the fix, for allegedly breaking a rule(s) that did not actually exist at the time the alleged infractions occurred. But they, MLB and by then Commissioner Landis, did virtually nothing to Comiskey, who intentionally and deliberately kept his knowledge of the fixing activities quiet from MLB and the other team owners. The main reason given for Jackson's permanent ban from baseball was that even though he didn't appear to actively take part in the throwing of games, he knew of the fix, but didn't turn his teammates in, despite telling Comiskey what had happened. Yet Comiskey was also just as guilty IMO as Jackson then, if not even more so, by intentionally not telling anyone else in MLB at the time what he knew. Which begs the question, why wasn't his ass immediately thrown out of MLB and banned for life as well? It is simple, Landis was being paid by the MLB team owners, which included Comiskey, for the job as baseball's first ever Commissioner, that he likely had handed to him as a delayed repayment/thank you for his part in the eventual squashing of the Federal League's lawsuit against MLB from several years earlier. The lying, hypocrisy, and outright greed of MLB hasn't changed a bit. It is still all about the money, and doing whatever is in the best interests of MLB, and their owner's wallets. Just look at how they handled the Astros cheating scandal a few years ago. It seems pretty clear that back then, the only real issue for MLB was how to best take care of the situation so the baseball owners would suffer the least negative financial impact as possible. What else is new, right?

I still think MLB won't do anything to alleviate past misjustice laid upon Jackson, until after Rose passes on. I've often said that MLB will continue to punish Rose with the ban, keeping him out of the HOF, because of his initial denial and reaction to MLB's efforts to punish him when his gambling activities first became known. And despite MLB's now obvious hypocritical embracement of the gambling industry, I can easily see MLB not wanting to give Rose the satisfaction of being inducted into the HOF while he's still alive. IMO, Jackson's problem is that MLB can't do right by him without also then facing criticism for their handling of Rose, and extend the same corrective action to Rose as well. So, they'll likely just wait till Rose passes before looking at possibly correcting anything. Time will tell.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by BobC

Believe that Mantle was involved with that also. Would have been curious to see how MLB would have treated Mays if he alone was involved, and not Mantle as well.

And as to your last point regarding Joe Jackson and Pete Rose, I've been saying for years that Jackson, in particular, got screwed by MLB. And especially by his then team owner, Comiskey, to whom Jackson reported what had happened, and even tried to return the money he was given, but had never asked for. Instead of turning around and reporting the fixing activities to the then AL President, Ban Johnson, or anyone else in baseball's hierarchy at the time, Comiskey asked Jackson to say nothing to anyone about it, and then kept it from everyone else as well, so he could continue to keep his team together, and the money he was making off of it. When the fixing issues finally came out, MLB punished Jackson, an involuntary party to the fix, for allegedly breaking a rule(s) that did not actually exist at the time the alleged infractions occurred. But they, MLB and by then Commissioner Landis, did virtually nothing to Comiskey, who intentionally and deliberately kept his knowledge of the fixing activities quiet from MLB and the other team owners. The main reason given for Jackson's permanent ban from baseball was that even though he didn't appear to actively take part in the throwing of games, he knew of the fix, but didn't turn his teammates in, despite telling Comiskey what had happened. Yet Comiskey was also just as guilty IMO as Jackson then, if not even more so, by intentionally not telling anyone else in MLB at the time what he knew. Which begs the question, why wasn't his ass immediately thrown out of MLB and banned for life as well?

Where do you get your "facts"?

Go read a book about the Black Sox and stop making up stuff.

[packs]

Nobody is going to see the same A’s team just because they play in Vegas. It makes no sense and it’s rarely ever worked. The only way for a team to be successful financially and with the fans is TO BE A GOOD TEAM.

The Packers play on Green Bay. If you’re wondering why a team in a podunk town is able to outdraw teams in major metropolitan cities it’s on the field.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by steve B

How things have changed.

At one point Mays was "banned" because he invested in and did some PR stuff for a casino. Welcome back when that all ended.
Having a franchise in Vegas would have been nearly unthinkable.

Now? No problem.

Gambling money is paying for that, one way or another.
Baseball pretty much isn't baseball anymore.

To avoid the obvious hypocrisy they should have and induction ceremony for both Jackson and Rose during the home opener.

It's impossible to block Vegas after so many states legalized sports gambling after the courts changed the hold Vegas and Atlantic City held.

We have sports gambling in Michigan now, should they have been forced to move all 4 professional teams for a decision at the state legislative level?

I expect the gap of not having the NBA in Vegas to be filled in the next few years as well. They do an amazing job of bringing in teams alienated by local governments and have a solid fanbase along with a cheap airfare for visiting fans to attend as well.

If I was any of these teams asking for improvements I would be looking at Vegas already.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by JustinD

It's impossible to block Vegas after so many states legalized sports gambling after the courts changed the hold Vegas and Atlantic City held.

We have sports gambling in Michigan now, should they have been forced to move all 4 professional teams for a decision at the state legislative level?

I expect the gap of not having the NBA in Vegas to be filled in the next few years as well. They do an amazing job of bringing in teams alienated by local governments and have a solid fanbase along with a cheap airfare for visiting fans to attend as well.

If I was any of these teams asking for improvements I would be looking at Vegas already.

Baseball was at least publicly taking the high road and avoiding gambling at all costs. Putting a franchise in Vegas is just hypocritical unless they abandon the rules they've had for a hundred years.

But that seems to be the new "in" thing, chase the money while making the produt worse.
Other sports have at least acknowledged the gambling aspect while trying to keep players and officials out of it.

But "everyone is gambling so it's ok!"

Eff it, I'm getting out my Hartford Jai Ali glasses and displaying those instead of baseball stuff.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by steve B

Baseball was at least publicly taking the high road and avoiding gambling at all costs. Putting a franchise in Vegas is just hypocritical unless they abandon the rules they've had for a hundred years.

But that seems to be the new "in" thing, chase the money while making the produt worse.
Other sports have at least acknowledged the gambling aspect while trying to keep players and officials out of it.

But "everyone is gambling so it's ok!"

Eff it, I'm getting out my Hartford Jai Ali glasses and displaying those instead of baseball stuff.

Always follow the money. That’s Business

The gambling money, the growing market, the tourist market

A’s can only do better than what it has just hope they then invest some of the new money when it comes into players to be more competitive