Let's see some postcards

Fred · #1 03-19-2023, 08:36 PM

Just curious - What are your opinions on postal cancellations on the post cards?

I like seeing the date/city where the post card was used. What' really nice are cancellations for different dates with baseball historical significance.

Does anybody know how widespread "fake" cancellations are? This is the part that sucks - you find a neat niche and somebody has to figure out a way to capitalize on it and screw things up.

What's the best way to try to determine if a postal cancellation is "faked"?

Perhaps I should just start a new thread on that topic. Holy cow - I didn't realize this thread is over 1750 posts - wow!

rickalaska · #2 03-20-2023, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fred

Just curious - What are your opinions on postal cancellations on the post cards?

I like seeing the date/city where the post card was used. What' really nice are cancellations for different dates with baseball historical significance.

Does anybody know how widespread "fake" cancellations are? This is the part that sucks - you find a neat niche and somebody has to figure out a way to capitalize on it and screw things up.

What's the best way to try to determine if a postal cancellation is "faked"?

Perhaps I should just start a new thread on that topic. Holy cow - I didn't realize this thread is over 1750 posts - wow!

Good question - I like a postmark because it can identify the team, give you a starting point for research, and help justify the results.

Forgery schemes are for profit - the postmark and the stamp add nostalgia, but as far as value, I can't recall seeing a postmarked card grading higher than - "Authentic" - "1" or "1.5" by any grading company - probably because this feature could be faked and/or is not part of the original card. Those seem to be the automatic "default" grades for mailed cards.

In our hobby, the higher the grade, the higher the value - thus, it makes more sense not to postmark or add writing to a postcard.

Where I could see something like this being done, are for historic events - like a postcard of the Titanic being mailed the day of departure... I would guess those are the postcards that should be scrutinized most.

rickalaska · #3 03-22-2023, 11:37 AM

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h2oya311 · #4 03-22-2023, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rickalaska

The 1913 Chattanooga Lookouts (Class A) with 19-year old pitcher Burleigh Grimes (HOF) (back row 3rd on left) who had a 6-7 record on the year. The "Giant Killer" and ace of the staff, 27-year old Harry Coveleski (back row far left) was 28-9 for the season. Kid Elberfeld (front row center) managed the team to 4th place and an overall 70-64 record.

I'm not saying that it isn't Grimes (3rd from left, back row), but I'm having a hard time seeing how his face changed so much from 1912, when he was with the Austin Bills, to 1913 with Chattanooga. Also, Grimes was only 5'10" tall, and with some guys on the roster standing at 6'2"-6'5" (per statscrew), I would argue that it's one of those guys and not Grimes. Perhaps one of the other fellows is Grimes? Or perhaps he missed the day of the photo shoot? See below for an early image of Grimes with the 1912 Austin Bills:

MINES_MINT · #5 03-22-2023, 05:17 PM

I'd have to agree with Derek on this one. I do not recognize Grimes amongst the group.

Furthermore, this post card shows the Lookouts schedule on the reverse which means that it was created prior to the beginning of the season.

https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/burleigh-grimes/

But this article on sabr.org tells us that:

"(Grimes) started the 1913 season with the Ottumwa (Iowa) Packers of the Central Association, where he was so effective that the Detroit Tigers purchased his contract for $400. After a week the Tigers shipped Grimes to Class A Chattanooga without his ever having put on a Detroit uniform."

Which means that Grimes would not have been present for a pre season photoshoot.

robertsmithnocure · #6 03-22-2023, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MINES_MINT

I'd have to agree with Derek on this one. I do not recognize Grimes amongst the group.

Furthermore, this post card shows the Lookouts schedule on the reverse which means that it was created prior to the beginning of the season.

https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/burleigh-grimes/

But this article on sabr.org tells us that:

"(Grimes) started the 1913 season with the Ottumwa (Iowa) Packers of the Central Association, where he was so effective that the Detroit Tigers purchased his contract for $400. After a week the Tigers shipped Grimes to Class A Chattanooga without his ever having put on a Detroit uniform."

Which means that Grimes would not have been present for a pre season photoshoot.

+1

That image was surely taken before the 1913 season started and before Grimes was sent from Ottumwa to Chattanooga.

edjs · #7 03-23-2023, 09:42 PM

Here�s a couple of Arkansas cards.

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