WW3 Please SAY NO!

G1911 · #1 03-02-2023, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by irv

Again, Putin did not start this. It's a proxy war against Russia, nothing more.
Is Ukraine even an ally?
113 BILLION and counting. Why, and why such a vested interest? Hunter is on the board of Burisma. Ukraine has bio labs.
Why is the U.S. so against Russia invading Ukraine if you say it is unprovoked when that is all the U.S. has done for years itself?
Have they now had a change of heart, taken the moral high ground and a way of paying repentance is to now help Ukraine?
You're being played, Mark. We are going to get into WW3 because your President and his band of Merrymen love war, nothing more.
https://www.tiktok.com/@cristinabrun..._t=8aHWsM4axDy

I think I get what you mean, but this is where language needs to be precise. Putin clearly chose to start the war. Ukraine did not attack Russia, Russia invaded. It didn't happen in a vacuum though, which I imagine is your point. The US appears to have backed the 2014 coup, which sparked Russia to take the Crimea just days later, to install a more friendly regime on Russia's border. The eastern provinces have been trying to secure independence for years and western Ukraine has been using force and violence to keep them attached. Russia, obviously, does not want a US client state on its border. The US would never allow a Russian client state on our border. It is much more complicated than a couple sentences, but the main narrative likes to skip over the entire history and paint a rather absurdist picture of simple evil incarnate, as we do every single time we are at war or proxy war with another state. We have seen this play out over and over and over and over.

If we are in favor of a people's right to rule themselves, we must be for Ukraine but also in favor of the east being able to choose for themselves as well. I find it difficult to find a sensible philosophy that means the US should bankroll or fight Ukraine's war of defense, but Ukraine is allowed to do whatever it wants to provinces that do not want to be part of Ukraine. Every time the US has a painful go of it, we all renounce the war we once supported and say that the US should stop being the world police. And then every time something happens, we say we need to fight it or fund it. And then the cycle repeats itself. This sure feels like another loop of this circle at this point, but time will tell.

I know not what to really make of this war, accurate information is difficult to find in the middle of a conflict and most of the media is simply printing Ukraine's propaganda; no nations propaganda about a war it is in has ever in world history been particularly accurate information. It does seem that Russia is still fighting with an arm tied behind its back, though I don't know why. Short of using WMD, there is little risk of further escalation, the west is already bankrolling and supplying the war at large scale. We will learn much in 10 years that isn't really known now.

Kzoo · #2 03-03-2023, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911

It does seem that Russia is still fighting with an arm tied behind its back, though I don't know why. We will learn much in 10 years that isn't really known now.

I agree there is far more at play.....and why did Ukraine have all those secret bio-labs? I think our government is really freaking out they were exposed......and all of a sudden this past week, Congress unanimously decided to agree Covid escaped from the Wuhan lab, after 3 years of denial.

irv · #3 03-03-2023, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark17

Right, your mind is locked into being contrarian. It doesn't really matter how smart someone is, if they've surrendered their ability (or desire) to think for themselves, rather than being stuck into a knee-jerk belief system that has them believing, or in your case, disbelieving, everything.

I will ask for a third or fourth time: Do you believe Russia is purposely bombing civilian targets, to kill and make miserable as many Ukrainian citizens as possible? I really don't expect an answer, because it's become obvious my question is threatening to you and your thought process.

You keep mentioning how unfair Ukraine has been to some of its citizens, while evading the fact Putin is trying to bomb them into oblivion. The reason Putin hasn't completely destroyed Ukraine by now (with tactical nukes) is because NATO and the USA stand in the way.

By the way, Biden isn't my guy and I disagree with him on most things. I didn't vote for him. But unlike partisans, I can give credit for good policy when it's due. The concept is known as thinking for myself. One party isn't always right, or wrong, and neither is the MSM.

Defeating Putin's expansion in Europe is essential.

I did answer above, in a roundabout way, however, but I guess you missed that?
Of course Putin is bombing areas, that's what usually happens in wars, to starve people out, etc. but I don't believe for one second it is anything like our media is portraying.
Here, watch this vid and pay particular attention at the 50 second or so point. This person, who ever he is (NATO/U.S. general?) is shocked and dumbfounded this journalist knows so much, knows the truth.
Did you see this on the evening news?
https://youtu.be/SKUtg-4BxMY

Like I said earlier or alluded too, there is something else going on here, something else that we will likely never know?
Joe hasn't been to your border in 2 yrs and apparently can't find Ohio on a map either, but he sure has no problem finding and flying to Ukraine whenever he wants?
Regardless, all this back and forth is futile. Neither you or I will ever fully, 100% know what is truly going on but I do know one thing, which many choose to ignore, is the fact that the U.S. has started more wars than any other nation on earth, and it is not even close.

BCauley · #4 03-03-2023, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by irv

Here, watch this vid and pay particular attention at the 50 second or so point. This person, who ever he is (NATO/U.S. general?) is shocked and dumbfounded this journalist knows so much, knows the truth.
Did you see this on the evening news?
https://youtu.be/SKUtg-4BxMY

That’s John Kirby. When he was an active duty Rear Admiral in the US Navy. He retired from the Navy in late 2015. So, at minimum 7-8 years ago. Cool? I didn’t watch most of the video because I assume these imbecile amateur talking heads left that context out. Keeps the suckers thinking it happened recently apparently.

Not coincidentally, the Russian embassy account posted the video cited by whoever the guys are in the video two days ago.

Color me surprised. Right up there with Russian media featuring Tucker Carlson.

Cliff Bowman · #5 03-03-2023, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kzoo

......and all of a sudden this past week, Congress unanimously decided to agree Covid escaped from the Wuhan lab, after 3 years of denial.

That was the Department Of Energy, there are 213 current Representatives and 51 current Senators who wouldn�t do that if you put a gun to their heads regardless of what evidence you presented to them.

Carter08 · #6 03-03-2023, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

That was the Department Of Energy, there are 213 current Representatives and 51 current Senators who wouldn�t do that if you put a gun to their heads regardless of what evidence you presented to them.

Ha, probably true.

Republicaninmass · #7 03-03-2023, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

That was the Department Of Energy, there are 213 current Representatives and 51 current Senators who wouldn�t do that if you put a gun to their heads regardless of what evidence you presented to them.

Plenty of boardmembers as well...

frankbmd · #8 03-03-2023, 12:13 PM

Conspiracy theories can, but certainly not always, have merit.

If the media chooses to label something a conspiracy theory, automatically over 50% of the population will dismiss it as garbage.

Follow the science is meaningless, unless you trust the source and understand it.

I think the pitch clock is a good thing. It's amazing that batters can still hit without adjusting the velcro on their batting gloves after each pitch.

Peter_Spaeth · #9 03-03-2023, 12:37 PM

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frankbmd · #10 03-03-2023, 03:10 PM

Thank you Peter for the �pitch�, which you completed in less than 15 seconds.

egri · #11 03-05-2023, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Our resident fount of all wisdom.

He is our most erudite wordsmith.

Kzoo · #12 03-03-2023, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

That was the Department Of Energy, there are 213 current Representatives and 51 current Senators who wouldn�t do that if you put a gun to their heads regardless of what evidence you presented to them.

Sorry, my mistake posting some 'fake news'. Thanks for the correction. Now I feel like the MSM, lol. I should have said I got it from an 'anonymous source'.