Prices discussion

[felada]

Originally Posted by theshleps

It seems most of the easy signing HOFers especially those who are recently deceased but even most of the living ones- if you want to purchase an autograph of the in the secondary market on a 195s or 1960's card you can pay anywhere from $30 to many hundreds or thousands even if just a few years ago they were $10 and then rookies of guys like Koufax have tripled in just a few years. Does anyone think either of these trends will reverse or are the days of $10 playing day kaline and Snider cards etc long gone???

There will be a correction at some point because prices got stupid the last few years. I doubt it will go back to where it was but the days of a 10 dollar signed snider are probably long gone.

[packs]

Koufax really has gone up. Willie Mays too. Even 70s Hank Aaron is pricey now. Not sure it'll go back down for those guys. I'm just glad I bought early.

I do think Musial and Feller will stay relatively affordable for a long time. And those are two nice HOFers to be able to collect easily.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

With Mays' inability to sign and Koufax' unavailability to sign at a reasonable price, you could almost say they've been "dead" since before the signed card boom. So few people were getting their career-era cards signed when they were signing for next to nothing, or even when their rates started rocketing from the $3 church basement days. Let's not even get into Koufax' sister and Mays' wives signing the deluge of TTM requests that came in. At least Koufax would sometimes do it himself (surprisingly, still does on the very rare occasion).

[theshleps]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

With Mays' inability to sign and Koufax' unavailability to sign at a reasonable price, you could almost say they've been "dead" since before the signed card boom. So few people were getting their career-era cards signed when they were signing for next to nothing, or even when their rates started rocketing from the $3 church basement days. Let's not even get into Koufax' sister and Mays' wives signing the deluge of TTM requests that came in. At least Koufax would sometimes do it himself (surprisingly, still does on the very rare occasion).

can you post a Koufax sister signed item please?

[Duluth Eskimo]

Secretarial

[slidekellyslide]

Koufax autos on modern insert cards can still be had for way less than his signing fee. Not sure why people are paying it unless they want a specific item signed.

[theshleps]

thanks Jason

[Kco]

Originally Posted by packs

Koufax really has gone up. Willie Mays too. Even 70s Hank Aaron is pricey now. Not sure it'll go back down for those guys. I'm just glad I bought early.

I do think Musial and Feller will stay relatively affordable for a long time. And those are two nice HOFers to be able to collect easily.

The thing with Willie Mays is his market for quite sometime was supresed substantially by the flood of what, early on, were believed to be good autographs with the "Say Hey" hologram.

These were available via every major autograph channel pretty much whenever one wanted, for well under $200, even "inscribed". Once the fraud of all the Say Hey items was exposed (Steve Hoskins signing them vs Mays himself), and the TPAs caught on and have steadily invalidated old certs and the general information about them being fake was exposed to a larger proponent of the market, collectors flocked to the genuine items to replace their bogus ones. Inscriptions are far tougher on Mays than many realized and the prices of quality sweetspot balls pushed into the mid to upper 200s. Inscribed baseballs easily bring in 4x that number now.

The other portion is after watching so many of the "card show era" heavy hitters pass away recently (Aaron, Frank Robinson, McCovey etc), Mays is far and away the last generational level player left and at nearly 92 and in poor health probably doesn't have long left so you've got a lot of collectors buying in anticipation of that inevitable surge.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Kco

The thing with Willie Mays is his market for quite sometime was supresed substantially by the flood of what, early on, were believed to be good autographs with the "Say Hey" hologram.

These were available via every major autograph channel pretty much whenever one wanted, for well under $200, even "inscribed". Once the fraud of all the Say Hey items was exposed (Steve Hoskins signing them vs Mays himself), and the TPAs caught on and have steadily invalidated old certs and the general information about them being fake was exposed to a larger proponent of the market, collectors flocked to the genuine items to replace their bogus ones. Inscriptions are far tougher on Mays than many realized and the prices of quality sweetspot balls pushed into the mid to upper 200s. Inscribed baseballs easily bring in 4x that number now.

The other portion is after watching so many of the "card show era" heavy hitters pass away recently (Aaron, Frank Robinson, McCovey etc), Mays is far and away the last generational level player left and at nearly 92 and in poor health probably doesn't have long left so you've got a lot of collectors buying in anticipation of that inevitable surge.

The Mays "Sey Hey" issue doesn't pertain to signed vintage cards as is being discussed here. While an important subject to discuss, it's a separate matter altogether. That was limited to modern material: balls, bats and photos, etc.

[packs]

A Willie for the thread:

[egri]

Here's mine:

[gonefishin]

I also like Mays vintage autograph - you know - back when you could actually read his name!

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by egri

Here's mine:

AND SO is this one...ooofffff

[Kco]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

The Mays "Sey Hey" issue doesn't pertain to signed vintage cards as is being discussed here. While an important subject to discuss, it's a separate matter altogether. That was limited to modern material: balls, bats and photos, etc.

Correct, but the overall price increase of his autograph does, and this plays a heavy part in the substantial jump in all mediums inclusive of cards.