Current HOF election results

[mrreality68]

His cards will get a a spike in pricing now

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

His cards will get a a spike in pricing now

Don't see much. Never once if my life in any baseball conversation have a met a self professed huge Scott Rolen fan. Sure they exist though. Might be deserving but basically zero star power.

[Mike D.]

Guide to Scott Rolen RC's

Wagner and Helton came REALLY close. Does the addition of a few big new names next year steal votes, or do we get a big class next year.

[Exhibitman]

I am underwhelmed...

[tod41]

Scott Rolen was a high end complimentary player and not a dominant player in his era. David Wright was an all around better player than Rolen and likewise does not belong in hall of fame. That said, with Rolen in, Wright might get there despite his career being cut short.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by tod41

Scott Rolen was a high end complimentary player and not a dominant player in his era. David Wright was an all around better player than Rolen and likewise does not belong in hall of fame. That said, with Rolen in, Wright might get there despite his career being cut short.

Wright was a 7x All Star, 2x GG winner and two time SS winner.

Rolen was a ROY, 7x All Star, 8x GG winner and one time SS Winner

Peak WAR favors Rolen as well.

As hitters their 162 game averages are almost identical (eliminating the injury argument) and Rolen by the metrics, and also by the eye test apparently, was a better fielder by a decent margin.

[tod41]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Wright was a 7x All Star, 2x GG winner and two time SS winner.

Rolen was a ROY, 7x All Star, 8x GG winner and one time SS Winner

Peak WAR favors Rolen as well.

As hitters their 162 game averages are almost identical (eliminating the injury argument) and Rolen by the metrics, and also by the eye test apparently, was a better fielder by a decent margin.

Personal attacks don't win arguments. Anyway:

Top 10 MVP Finishes - Wright 4 - Rolen 1

OPS Plus - Wright 133 - Rolen 122

Seasons with OPS Plus 140 or above - Wright 5 - Rolen 1

Seasons 30/30 - Wright 1 - Rolen 0

Seasons 20/20 - Wright 1 - Rolen 0

[molenick]

I posted a longer version of this on 7/8/2021 in a thread about neglected HOFers....it was a list of non-steroid/HGH players at each position who had the highest percentage of votes in a given year but had not been elected (at the time). Four of these players (Hodges, Rolen, Minoso, Oliva) are now in. I have not updated it based on elections since then, but based on this year, it looks like Helton will take over at first, Sheffield in right, and Wagner, Jones, and Kent will have higher percentages. There are other changes as well (like a new left fielder)...I will try and update it fully if I get a chance.

Originally Posted by molenick

Here's another "team" for your consideration. These are the (non-steroid/HGH) players at each position who got the highest percentage of votes in a given year but who are not in the Hall (the number is their single highest %). This was based on looking at roughly the top 100 players at each position and clicking on the ones I thought were good candidates for the list, so I may have missed someone.

Dick Allen would be ahead at 1b or 3b depending on what you consider him. He had more games at 1b but had more WAR at 3b (at least that's how I interpret Baseball Reference ranking him under 3b).

C Elston Howard 20.7
1b Gil Hodges 63.4
2b Jeff Kent 32.4
ss Omar Vizquel 52.6 (Dahlen 62.5 VC)
3b Scott Rolen 52.9
lf Minnie Minoso 21.1 (56.3 VC)
cf Andruw Jones 33.9
rf Tony Oliva 47.3 (68.8 VC)
sp Curt Schilling 71.1
rp Billy Wagner 46.4
1b/3b Dick Allen 68.8 VC

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I am underwhelmed...

Me too. Excellent player, borderline great, that's it IMO. It's telling to me that he only finished in the top ten MVP voting once, and even then he was not first on his team (Pujols) or at his position (Beltre).

[abothebear]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Don't see much. Never once if my life in any baseball conversation have a met a self professed huge Scott Rolen fan. Sure they exist though. Might be deserving but basically zero star power.

I was a huge fan. He was always referred to as an old-school player, because he was a head-down get-the-job-done guy (I don't know why old-school meant that). So he wasn't a glamorous guy. But he was really fun to watch, and I would probably choose him as my top 3B of the last 30 years (Arenado is right there). He was one of those few guys that seemed bigger than the game, like everyone else was in the minor leagues. It is too bad he injured his shoulder in that collision with Choi.