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[packs]

Jim Edmonds is a good name to bring up. His numbers best Jones (by a lot in batting average and OPS+) other than homers and RBIs and he has two less gloves but did win a championship. Difference in WAR is negligible too though in favor of Jones.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I'd say the same about Jim Edmonds!

Originally Posted by packs

Jim Edmonds is a good name to bring up. His numbers best Jones (by a lot in batting average and OPS+) other than homers and RBIs and he has two less gloves but did win a championship. Difference in WAR is negligible too though in favor of Jones.

Edmonds bothers me though. Not that he was a bad fielder, but I saw him make two many late jumps and bad judgements that he then rectified with an amazing play. He was diving on plays where his predecessor (White) would have just easily glided to the ball.

[abothebear]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Edmonds bothers me though. Not that he was a bad fielder, but I saw him make two many late jumps and bad judgements that he then rectified with an amazing play. He was diving on plays where his predecessor (White) would have just easily glided to the ball.

Maybe you saw plays I didn’t, but I didn’t se him making late jumps and bad reads. I saw the opposite. Edmonds played shallow centerfield on purpose, to shrink the outfield for hitters, having the confidence in his reactions and reads that he could get back on everything over him, which he did.

[packs]

I don't think it makes sense to compare Andruw Jones to Ozzie Smith vis a vis defense. Ozzie played shortstop. If you look at the shortstops elected to the HOF before him, aside from Wagner, Banks, and Arky Vaughan you have a mix of mostly light to average hitting but smooth fielding players: Travis Jackson, Joe Tinker, Bobby Wallace, Rabbit Maranville, Lou Boudreau, etc.

He was a better fielder than all of them, most of which made it into the HOF on their glove, so it only made sense he would be a HOFer too.

But Andruw Jones plays centerfield. I understand it's a pivotal position too, but it's not played by the same types of players. I don't need to go through the list of centerfielders in the HOF ahead of Andruw Jones.

I don't think he's a HOFer because he was a better fielder than them.

[butchie_t]

Numbers be damned.......Go Todd GO!!!!

I really hope he makes it this year.

I watched him play in Colorado Springs, you could tell he was not destined to be in the minors long. Someone mentioned he is an introvert. I can agree with that. But a very nice person for sure. Always made time for the fans as he walked to the dugout from the club house in the Springs.

It was also fun to watch him talk to himself in almost every at bat. You could always tell he was focused when he was hitting. We sat right behind the Sky Sox dugout so I had basically a front row seat to watch him hit and field.

I got as many autographs from him that I could. It was obvious he was not long for the minors.


So, GO TODD GO!!!!


B. T.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by abothebear

Maybe you saw plays I didn’t, but I didn’t se him making late jumps and bad reads. I saw the opposite. Edmonds played shallow centerfield on purpose, to shrink the outfield for hitters, having the confidence in his reactions and reads that he could get back on everything over him, which he did.

Disagree, i saw many bad plays and late jumps and bad reads.....some of the best amazing plays were as a result of initial bad read....of course not all the time he was a good to great fielder but i think his highlight reel makes people think he was better than he really was..... how would you compare his arm to Jones

[D. Bergin]

Yeah, Edmonds falls into the Derek Jeter category. Passes the eye test...looks like a Gold Glover when you watch him everyday. Makes all the plays he's supposed to, and very few mistakes...but the analytics don't like him as much as others. Makes some plays look harder then they should be, and ends up on highlight reels in the process.

Did have some really good years in the field mixed in with some average ones.

That said, dude had an under-rated bat. .903 career OPS and a 132 OPS+.

I'd hypothesize he was kept from HOF consideration by being injured from making too many unnecessary dives in his career, and missing lots of benchmark career numbers. Played a lot of years, but missed a lot of games.

[perezfan]

As a lifelong Reds fan, I can say without a doubt that Edmonds killed the Reds infinitely more than Andruw.... both with his bat and his glove. We never gave Andruw a second thought, but Edmonds was the Babe Ruth of his time (against the Reds).

That's my incredibly scientific analysis.

[lowpopper]

so many parrots wow

where are all the highlights of jeter making errors in the big games?

what he booted a ball at camden with a 7 run lead?

he bounced one to first on a partly sunny nick johnson bobblehead day?

you know you got the juice when people find any excuse to hate

haha parrots!

[abothebear]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Disagree, i saw many bad plays and late jumps and bad reads.....some of the best amazing plays were as a result of initial bad read....of course not all the time he was a good to great fielder but i think his highlight reel makes people think he was better than he really was..... how would you compare his arm to Jones

I didn’t follow Jones much, so I wouldn’t have a useful opinion on comparing him with Jim. My memory of Jones was that everyone as talking about him his first few years, and then he was just kind of around for a while. I’d say that that’s hardly an observation, except I was a fantasy baseball fanatic back in those days (starting around 2002), and I don’t recall ever thinking of Jones as a guy I wanted on my team. So maybe my comment elevates from “hardly an observation” to “unreliable anecdote.” Feel free to pass it along to any HOF voters you think might benefit from it:

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by abothebear

I didn’t follow Jones much, so I wouldn’t have a useful opinion on comparing him with Jim. My memory of Jones was that everyone as talking about him his first few years, and then he was just kind of around for a while. I’d say that that’s hardly an observation, except I was a fantasy baseball fanatic back in those days (starting around 2002), and I don’t recall ever thinking of Jones as a guy I wanted on my team. So maybe my comment elevates from “hardly an observation” to “unreliable anecdote.” Feel free to pass it along to any HOF voters you think might benefit from it:

yeah for fantasy NL leagues as the years went on..alwasy not worth drafting because of his batting average etc. He was alwasy drafted with the mid 30 year old players past their prime or always go hurt... today analogy would be brandon belts and evan longorias..back then was like Steve Finely and Luis Gonzalez...