T206, or not....let's have a continuing conversation....Ty Cobb Smoking Tobacco card

[nolemmings]

there also are blurbs in other papers from June 1909 saying only "And now they have named a smoke after Ty Cobb"

[Rhotchkiss]

Great thread Ted.

I think Frank makes a very compelling argument for why the Ty Cobb back is NOT a T206; although any self-respecting red cobb back run (like Jamie's) should include the Cobb back IMO.

On a different note, what is the prevailing argument for why T213-1 and T215-1 are not T206s? They were produced/distributed in 1910 (during the 1909-1911 print time), they have the same exact front pictures, including the black name print, and they were distributed in packs of cigarettes/tobacco. The only reason I can think to not classify them as T206 is because, unlike other established T206s, they have later versions (i.e., type 2, type 3, pirate, etc). In other words, T213 and T215 are not T206s because, unlike other T206s, their adds are carried on cards with the same fronts that were issued after 1911; thus the need to classify them as separate from T206 to catalogue the versions.

[insidethewrapper]

My opinion is the Cobb/Cobb back should not be considered a T206. From what I understand only a couple of people had them in small groups. I don't believe they were issued in packs if a couple had them all. I still think it was a promo card, maybe for Coke or car dealership in the Atlanta area etc.

[Seven]

I don't have an educated enough opinion on this to truly weigh in, I always considered it a T206 card though, because of the image of Cobb that I associated with the T206 set. A wonderful debate all around though, something that we can continue to discuss for a long time.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

On a different note, what is the prevailing argument for why T213-1 and T215-1 are not T206s?

Hi Ryan, I think the main argument is the T213-1s and T215-1s were printed on much thinner paper stock than T206s.

(edited ... just T213-1s are thinner stock)

[RCMcKenzie]

T215-1 Red Cross states "100 Designs" on the back. At the risk of being wrong for the 4th or 5th time this week, I read in the 2010 thread that there are 2 types of TyCobb/TyCobb cards. One type has gloss, and the other type does not.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

Hi Ryan, I think the main argument is the T213-1s and T215-1s were printed on much thinner paper stock than T206s.

I have several T215-1 cards, they were printed on the same cardboard stock as T206 cards are.

Regarding the thinner cardboard stock which the 1910 COUPON (T213-1) cards are printed on, my understanding is that
these cards were never meant to serve as Cigarette pack stiffiners. A Cigarette pack for these cards has not been found.
1910 COUPON cards were either placed inside rectangular cartons containing a 100 Cigarettes, or pasted on the outside
of these cartons.

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

T215-1 Red Cross states "100 Designs" on the back. At the risk of being wrong for the 4th or 5th time this week, I read in the 2010 thread that there are 2 types of TyCobb/TyCobb cards. One type has gloss, and the other type does not.

Rob

Over the years, I have closely examined several Ty Cobb / Ty Cobb cards; and, some have a faint glossy coating....while most of them do not.


TED Z

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