Where is the second ledger of T cards?

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by G1911

The coupons for the T3 and T9 cabinet cards was popular by the May 14, 1910 issue. They are referenced directly in a very brief notice. "Dealers report a swelling demand" as a result of the picture promotion. Interesting that the pugilists are not mentioned.

This lines up with the information in the 1st ledger book and also shows why when I posted about the ledger I pointed out that you have to break down all the information on each page.

They first started packing and shipping the coupons for the T cards in the beginning of March 1910 and those coupons state that the Baseball pictures will be ready to ship on April 1st and the athletes will be ready to ship on May 1st 1910.

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Two pages in the 1st Ledger state that they started packing and shipping the T cards on April 26 1910

This one is 75% Hudson-Fulton and 25% Baseball
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This 2nd page also states the packing and shipping on April 26 1910 and it also states the packing and shipping of one ball player and one prize fighter on June 16 1910 for the state of Ohio only.
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I not sure why they only mention the pugilists for the state of Ohio instructions but the coupon says Baseball and Athlete picture which I assume is the T9's.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Pat R

This lines up with the information in the 1st ledger book and also shows why when I posted about the ledger I pointed out that you have to break down all the information on each page.

They first started packing and shipping the coupons for the T cards in the beginning of March 1910 and those coupons state that the Baseball pictures will be ready to ship on April 1st and the athletes will be ready to ship on May 1st 1910.


Two pages in the 1st Ledger state that they started packing and shipping the T cards on April 26 1910

This one is 75% Hudson-Fulton and 25% Baseball

This 2nd page also states the packing and shipping on April 26 1910 and it also states the packing and shipping of one ball player and one prize fighter on June 16 1910 for the state of Ohio only.

I not sure why they only mention the pugilists for the state of Ohio instructions but the coupon says Baseball and Athlete picture which I assume is the T9's.

I think we have further evidence of wave printing and issuing here. 1-76 is a checklisted and planned series (with 76 being a last minute addition after the baseball subjects began printing but before the boxers), but it’s issued as essentially two parts. We have evidence for this in T218 series 3, T220, and then I think less obviously but still present T42 and others, where only 25 of 50 subjects were in production at a time. I suspect that if a retailer got 1,000 packs delivered, they wouldn’t have an entire series for a lot of sets, just half or part of one repeated over and over. This makes sense with the heavy duplication on sheets and it is tough to explain some of the primary evidence any other way, like the T218-3 ledger pages.

When it comes to Turkey Red, I don’t know what one baseball player and one prize fighter really mean. The coupon for the T3/T9 set is the same for both, for the “baseball and athlete picture” department. No boxing card or silk or picture was ever inserted in Turkey Red smokes directly.

I suspect the Ohio reference is to a regionalism that we have found little to document. The ATC has brand divisions but it also has geography divisions. If my memory is correct we’ve talked about articles implying Pennsylvania having different distribution before. There were local laws that may have impeded card releases after the federal prohibition on tobacco cards ended. There may be some of that regionalism reflected in T226 distribution. We are at least advancing from “unknown unknowns” to “known unknowns”