The Silent Natural - Dummy Hoy

[tlwise12]

My vintage baseball team was actually in that movie! You can see several of us in the dugout and a few in other areas.

It was a really cool experience and I'm glad we did it.

[scotgreb]

Great stuff -- looking forward to the movie.

Another pose of Mr. Hoy

Hoy, Dummy 1888 N172.jpg

[Jay Wolt]

[puckpaul]

Have a few Dummy Hoys (and Dummy Taylors, those old folks sure were creative in their deaf nicknames!). Including an early program featuring Hoy and his National copper plate, and signed balls of each.

I missed out on an N173 cabinet of Hoy, anyone have one of those? My friend was distracted and missed the live auction lot it was in, was supposed to try to buy it for me…oops.

[drumback]

Those are NOT nicknames. They are terms of ridicule and derision. We don't have to continue using them today, and we shouldn't. He was Billy Hoy. He was Luther Taylor.

And while I'm at it, he was Albert Bender, not Chief. The taunts and insults heaped upon him were despicable. There are many others. . .

[jakebeckleyoldeagleeye]

Originally Posted by drumback

Those are NOT nicknames. They are terms of ridicule and derision. We don't have to continue using them today, and we shouldn't. He was Billy Hoy. He was Luther Taylor.

And while I'm at it, he was Albert Bender, not Chief. The taunts and insults heaped upon him were despicable. There are many others. . .

Hoy referred to himself as Dummy so it didn't bother him. I wonder what Old Eagle thought of him since they were teammates on the Reds?

[todeen]

Originally Posted by jakebeckleyoldeagleeye

Hoy referred to himself as Dummy so it didn't bother him. I wonder what Old Eagle thought of him since they were teammates on the Reds?

who is Old Eagle? He doesn't pop up on a Google Search. It keeps bringing up Tris Speaker instead - "Grey Eagle."

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[dmyhoy]

Originally Posted by drumback

Those are NOT nicknames. They are terms of ridicule and derision. We don't have to continue using them today, and we shouldn't. He was Billy Hoy. He was Luther Taylor.

And while I'm at it, he was Albert Bender, not Chief. The taunts and insults heaped upon him were despicable. There are many others. . .

Sir, allow me to suggest otherwise, feel free to use the word "Dummy" on Hoy, Dundon, Taylor, Sawhill, Ryn Kihm, Funkhouser, Stephenson, Leitner, Rossen, Curtis, Dix, and Fuller. Or any other Deaf ball players of the olden days except, Sipek. He is the first Deaf ball player not to be called Dummy. I am Deaf but not deaf hence the capitol D.
Other names such as Albert Bender - should be answered by someone who is an expert in this regard.

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by drumback

Those are NOT nicknames. They are terms of ridicule and derision. We don't have to continue using them today, and we shouldn't. He was Billy Hoy. He was Luther Taylor.

And while I'm at it, he was Albert Bender, not Chief. The taunts and insults heaped upon him were despicable. There are many others. . .

Well, in today’s context, i “hear” you. But both Hoy and Taylor had NO problem signing baseballs with “Dummy” in the signature, so I hardly feel like i should change how i refer to them.

I have severe hearing loss which drew me to collecting Dummy Hoy items. Proud of them.

Sadder is that people today are still uncomfortable with people with hearing loss, and they are not any more welcoming in this era of “DEI”.

[perezfan]

What about Rube (as in Foster and Waddell?) Is it still acceptable to call them that, or is that name cancelled as well?

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

Well, in today’s context, i “hear” you. But both Hoy and Taylor had NO problem signing baseballs with “Dummy” in the signature, so I hardly feel like i should change how i refer to them.

I have severe hearing loss which drew me to collecting Dummy Hoy items. Proud of them.

Sadder is that people today are still uncomfortable with people with hearing loss, and they are not any more welcoming in this era of “DEI”.

I've always felt they should offer American Sign Language in school as an elective along with the other languages.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by drumback

Those are NOT nicknames. They are terms of ridicule and derision. We don't have to continue using them today, and we shouldn't. He was Billy Hoy. He was Luther Taylor.

And while I'm at it, he was Albert Bender, not Chief. The taunts and insults heaped upon him were despicable. There are many others. . .

You'll be pleased to know that Baseball Reference made the decision a couple years ago to update their site to list such players by their real names instead of those "nicknames".

[dmyhoy]

Originally Posted by Tabe

You'll be pleased to know that Baseball Reference made the decision a couple years ago to update their site to list such players by their real names instead of those "nicknames".

The Baseball Reference is a mistake! they never asked any Deaf expert on this and they are ignorance!

[dmyhoy]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

Have a few Dummy Hoys (and Dummy Taylors, those old folks sure were creative in their deaf nicknames!). Including an early program featuring Hoy and his National copper plate, and signed balls of each.

I missed out on an N173 cabinet of Hoy, anyone have one of those? My friend was distracted and missed the live auction lot it was in, was supposed to try to buy it for me…oops.

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Kindly check this out.

[dmyhoy]

Originally Posted by scotgreb

Great stuff -- looking forward to the movie.

Another pose of Mr. Hoy

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You can find the film in Amazon and/or find the DVD via going Google to locate one.