The Silent Natural - Dummy Hoy

[puckpaul]

Have a few Dummy Hoys (and Dummy Taylors, those old folks sure were creative in their deaf nicknames!). Including an early program featuring Hoy and his National copper plate, and signed balls of each.

I missed out on an N173 cabinet of Hoy, anyone have one of those? My friend was distracted and missed the live auction lot it was in, was supposed to try to buy it for me…oops.

[drumback]

Those are NOT nicknames. They are terms of ridicule and derision. We don't have to continue using them today, and we shouldn't. He was Billy Hoy. He was Luther Taylor.

And while I'm at it, he was Albert Bender, not Chief. The taunts and insults heaped upon him were despicable. There are many others. . .

[jakebeckleyoldeagleeye]

Originally Posted by drumback

Those are NOT nicknames. They are terms of ridicule and derision. We don't have to continue using them today, and we shouldn't. He was Billy Hoy. He was Luther Taylor.

And while I'm at it, he was Albert Bender, not Chief. The taunts and insults heaped upon him were despicable. There are many others. . .

Hoy referred to himself as Dummy so it didn't bother him. I wonder what Old Eagle thought of him since they were teammates on the Reds?

[todeen]

Originally Posted by jakebeckleyoldeagleeye

Hoy referred to himself as Dummy so it didn't bother him. I wonder what Old Eagle thought of him since they were teammates on the Reds?

who is Old Eagle? He doesn't pop up on a Google Search. It keeps bringing up Tris Speaker instead - "Grey Eagle."

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[jingram058]

I'm not deaf, well, not yet and not totally, anyhow. But I sure enough am a big dummy. Just ask my wife. Derision? Hell, I'm sometimes proud of it! That is, when I'm not walking away from full sets for my mom to throw away, or when I'm not selling cards for peanuts because I am hard up for money, or cutting up and flushing down the toilet a perfectly good Hal Chase card because I thought he was a f&#@ing di$@head, or... You get the idea.

[jakebeckleyoldeagleeye]

Originally Posted by todeen

who is Old Eagle? He doesn't pop up on a Google Search. It keeps bringing up Tris Speaker instead - "Grey Eagle."

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Come on man it's BBHOF'er Jake Beckley. He was born and is buried here in my hometown of Hannibal, Missouri.

[ValKehl]

Another N172 pose of Hoy:

[chjh]

WHEN DID THE WORD “DUMMY” BECOME DEROGATORY?

https://blog.leeandlow.com/2012/08/1...me-derogatory/

In the 21st century, it has become common practice to use “dummy” with insulting intentions. It’s not surprising that some people may feel confused about why William encouraged people to call him “Dummy.” In this passage from Silent Star, author Bill Wise offers an explanation:

“Today calling a deaf person dumb would be derogatory and offensive, but in Hoy’s day it was acceptable. Hoy carried his nickname with pride. Dummy became the name he preferred, and he often corrected people who called him William.”

William was born in 1862. By then, some version of the word “dumb” had existed within the English language for hundreds of years and meant, “silent, unable to speak.” As English became influenced by German, the definition of “stupid” was also adopted; this occurred in the 1800’s.

Today, synonyms for “dummy” include “airhead,” “dimwit” and “idiot.” Under conventional circumstances, those words don’t promote positive feelings for anyone within society, much less those who are deaf. As a result, the deaf community no longer uses the word “dummy.” They have also acquired a much more negative view towards the terms “deaf-mute” and “deaf and dumb,” especially since most people who are deaf can learn how to speak.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by jakebeckleyoldeagleeye

Come on man it's BBHOF'er Jake Beckley. He was born and is buried here in my hometown of Hannibal, Missouri.

ha! I didn't even check your member name. my bad. thanks for answering.

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[dmyhoy]

Originally Posted by drumback

Those are NOT nicknames. They are terms of ridicule and derision. We don't have to continue using them today, and we shouldn't. He was Billy Hoy. He was Luther Taylor.

And while I'm at it, he was Albert Bender, not Chief. The taunts and insults heaped upon him were despicable. There are many others. . .

Sir, allow me to suggest otherwise, feel free to use the word "Dummy" on Hoy, Dundon, Taylor, Sawhill, Ryn Kihm, Funkhouser, Stephenson, Leitner, Rossen, Curtis, Dix, and Fuller. Or any other Deaf ball players of the olden days except, Sipek. He is the first Deaf ball player not to be called Dummy. I am Deaf but not deaf hence the capitol D.
Other names such as Albert Bender - should be answered by someone who is an expert in this regard.

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by drumback

Those are NOT nicknames. They are terms of ridicule and derision. We don't have to continue using them today, and we shouldn't. He was Billy Hoy. He was Luther Taylor.

And while I'm at it, he was Albert Bender, not Chief. The taunts and insults heaped upon him were despicable. There are many others. . .

Well, in today’s context, i “hear” you. But both Hoy and Taylor had NO problem signing baseballs with “Dummy” in the signature, so I hardly feel like i should change how i refer to them.

I have severe hearing loss which drew me to collecting Dummy Hoy items. Proud of them.

Sadder is that people today are still uncomfortable with people with hearing loss, and they are not any more welcoming in this era of “DEI”.

[perezfan]

What about Rube (as in Foster and Waddell?) Is it still acceptable to call them that, or is that name cancelled as well?

[BobC]

Originally Posted by perezfan

What about Rube (as in Foster and Waddell?) Is it still acceptable to call them that, or is that name cancelled as well?

Oh, there is a much worse nickname than that that more than just a few late 19th/early 20th century athletes and ballplayers had.

[dmyhoy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

What about Rube (as in Foster and Waddell?) Is it still acceptable to call them that, or is that name cancelled as well?

You might have to ask who is an expert in Rube. But if you are talking about Rube, then I would believe its alright unless otherwise instructed.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by dmyhoy

You might have to ask who is an expert in Rube. But if you are talking about Rube, then I would believe its alright unless otherwise instructed.

Rube is definitely OK and has plenty of uses other than the potentially offensive version - see Rube Goldberg, for example.

[jingram058]

I watched the movie, and it's quite good. I don't understand the negative or less than flattering reviews. The acting, the periodicity correctness all seem spot on, and it was made on a shoestring budget. It takes a rightful place alongside all the other baseball films of note, in my opinion.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

Well, in today’s context, i “hear” you. But both Hoy and Taylor had NO problem signing baseballs with “Dummy” in the signature, so I hardly feel like i should change how i refer to them.

I have severe hearing loss which drew me to collecting Dummy Hoy items. Proud of them.

Sadder is that people today are still uncomfortable with people with hearing loss, and they are not any more welcoming in this era of “DEI”.

I've always felt they should offer American Sign Language in school as an elective along with the other languages.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by drumback

Those are NOT nicknames. They are terms of ridicule and derision. We don't have to continue using them today, and we shouldn't. He was Billy Hoy. He was Luther Taylor.

And while I'm at it, he was Albert Bender, not Chief. The taunts and insults heaped upon him were despicable. There are many others. . .

You'll be pleased to know that Baseball Reference made the decision a couple years ago to update their site to list such players by their real names instead of those "nicknames".

[dmyhoy]

Originally Posted by Tabe

You'll be pleased to know that Baseball Reference made the decision a couple years ago to update their site to list such players by their real names instead of those "nicknames".

The Baseball Reference is a mistake! they never asked any Deaf expert on this and they are ignorance!

[dmyhoy]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

Have a few Dummy Hoys (and Dummy Taylors, those old folks sure were creative in their deaf nicknames!). Including an early program featuring Hoy and his National copper plate, and signed balls of each.

I missed out on an N173 cabinet of Hoy, anyone have one of those? My friend was distracted and missed the live auction lot it was in, was supposed to try to buy it for me…oops.

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