S/O to this eBay seller/ and whoever messed with it

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Fred

Greg,

The timing is very suspicious - I actually felt really bad for the OP that said that he got screwed. I hate seeing that crap happen.

I figured I'd screw with that seller and see what he'd do if someone put in a large offer on the card. In less than half an hour (this is more than 12 hours after the OP said they got screwed by the seller re-negging on the sale), I'm being outed by the OP as the person that poached the card the day before or earlier in the day.

It made no sense to me that the ebay seller would immediately contact the person they screwed over and then tell them someone made a large offer on the card, especially if the card was supposedly sold to someone else already.

My only intent was to see what the seller would do. Instead within half an hour, the OP (using a second N54 ID, albeit similar to the OP name) outs me as the "poacher". I took a bit of offense to this and looked at the timing of it all and it just seemed really odd.

If Kaufmann is telling the truth, then there's a lot of odd timing and coincidences to this and I didn't appreciate being falsely outed as the "poacher" of this card. I'm all about a collector being able to "collect" and have an enjoyable time doing so because in these days of this hobby, there's too much BS going on and it's more dog eat dog than help thy fellow collector.

By the way, the ebay seller for the card hasn't contacted me.

I don't see what is suspicious or much room for a conspiracy in what he has said. Since you all agree that you made an offer to the seller, that's the information they have. The seller has an offer from you for $10,000, presumably he doesn't know you're doing it for, you say, some less than sincere purpose (what is the point in proving a seller that cancelled a deal for a higher offer will do that? That's already known). Seller gives that to the original buyer when asked, who posts it here, seeming not to know that ID is yours. What do you think happened? The seller and this poster are the same person, for what possible purpose? It doesn't seem to be a false outing, you all agree you did make a higher offer after the auction. Did you make that offer worded in a way that the seller, who relayed it to bkaufmann, would not reasonably take it at face value? Can you post the screen cap of the offer? Perhaps you were insincere in it and did not successfully poach, but if you make a poaching offer and they can't reasonably know your offer was fake for some reason, why would the seller and the person he relays it to assume it was a fake offer? I guess I just don't see why one would make a higher offer to a seller we already know takes higher offers, and how anyone else besides you would know, assuming it is true, that your intent was not to follow through on said offer and it was insincere, even if it was accepted. If I am selling a card and someone sends me an offer, I would assume their offer is sincere (since that is usually the case) unless I have reason to think it is insincere. To believe bkaufmann's story, while still assuming your statements are true, one only has to conclude A) the seller interpreted the offer as sincere as most people do, and B) gave bkaufmann the name of one of the people who offered more when asked. That's not much of a stretch. To believe bkaufmann is actually the seller requires a lot more jumps.