S/O to this eBay seller/ and whoever messed with it

[Fred]

Greg,

The timing is very suspicious - I actually felt really bad for the OP that said that he got screwed. I hate seeing that crap happen.

I figured I'd screw with that seller and see what he'd do if someone put in a large offer on the card. In less than half an hour (this is more than 12 hours after the OP said they got screwed by the seller re-negging on the sale), I'm being outed by the OP as the person that poached the card the day before or earlier in the day.

It made no sense to me that the ebay seller would immediately contact the person they screwed over and then tell them someone made a large offer on the card, especially if the card was supposedly sold to someone else already.

My only intent was to see what the seller would do. Instead within half an hour, the OP (using a second N54 ID, albeit similar to the OP name) outs me as the "poacher". I took a bit of offense to this and looked at the timing of it all and it just seemed really odd.

If Kaufmann is telling the truth, then there's a lot of odd timing and coincidences to this and I didn't appreciate being falsely outed as the "poacher" of this card. I'm all about a collector being able to "collect" and have an enjoyable time doing so because in these days of this hobby, there's too much BS going on and it's more dog eat dog than help thy fellow collector.

By the way, the ebay seller for the card hasn't contacted me.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Fred

Greg,

The timing is very suspicious - I actually felt really bad for the OP that said that he got screwed. I hate seeing that crap happen.

I figured I'd screw with that seller and see what he'd do if someone put in a large offer on the card. In less than half an hour (this is more than 12 hours after the OP said they got screwed by the seller re-negging on the sale), I'm being outed by the OP as the person that poached the card the day before or earlier in the day.

It made no sense to me that the ebay seller would immediately contact the person they screwed over and then tell them someone made a large offer on the card, especially if the card was supposedly sold to someone else already.

My only intent was to see what the seller would do. Instead within half an hour, the OP (using a second N54 ID, albeit similar to the OP name) outs me as the "poacher". I took a bit of offense to this and looked at the timing of it all and it just seemed really odd.

If Kaufmann is telling the truth, then there's a lot of odd timing and coincidences to this and I didn't appreciate being falsely outed as the "poacher" of this card. I'm all about a collector being able to "collect" and have an enjoyable time doing so because in these days of this hobby, there's too much BS going on and it's more dog eat dog than help thy fellow collector.

By the way, the ebay seller for the card hasn't contacted me.

I don't see what is suspicious or much room for a conspiracy in what he has said. Since you all agree that you made an offer to the seller, that's the information they have. The seller has an offer from you for $10,000, presumably he doesn't know you're doing it for, you say, some less than sincere purpose (what is the point in proving a seller that cancelled a deal for a higher offer will do that? That's already known). Seller gives that to the original buyer when asked, who posts it here, seeming not to know that ID is yours. What do you think happened? The seller and this poster are the same person, for what possible purpose? It doesn't seem to be a false outing, you all agree you did make a higher offer after the auction. Did you make that offer worded in a way that the seller, who relayed it to bkaufmann, would not reasonably take it at face value? Can you post the screen cap of the offer? Perhaps you were insincere in it and did not successfully poach, but if you make a poaching offer and they can't reasonably know your offer was fake for some reason, why would the seller and the person he relays it to assume it was a fake offer? I guess I just don't see why one would make a higher offer to a seller we already know takes higher offers, and how anyone else besides you would know, assuming it is true, that your intent was not to follow through on said offer and it was insincere, even if it was accepted. If I am selling a card and someone sends me an offer, I would assume their offer is sincere (since that is usually the case) unless I have reason to think it is insincere. To believe bkaufmann's story, while still assuming your statements are true, one only has to conclude A) the seller interpreted the offer as sincere as most people do, and B) gave bkaufmann the name of one of the people who offered more when asked. That's not much of a stretch. To believe bkaufmann is actually the seller requires a lot more jumps.

[jggames]

We've all had this happen to us and I've always gone back to the seller and said I'd match the higher offer, which often worked. Maybe that's because I'm a collector and not a flipper, I don't know. I'm surprised at how many people are for taking advantage of someone who doesn't know the value of what they have. I would have offered him $10K on principle.

[notfast]

Seller realizes mistake and makes up excuse saying someone offered more/selling for a family etc.

Guy from this forum “offers” $10k to seller.

Original buyer asks for a name.

Seller gives that $10k offer guys user name.

Guy on this forum says he was just playing a game to see what seller would do.


This is likely what happened. Seller will probably repost the card for sale.

[BKaufmann14]

This is my last post on this thread because it’s gotten confusing so I’ll give you the run down. First off I was unaware I even had two accounts and I was trying to pull some shadiness I wouldn’t make it the same name practically just reversed. The story goes as this: someone posted my buy on here saying it was a steal and someone was lucky. This has been stated in the thread, about 20-30 min later I get an email from the seller saying someone offered more offline (screenshot from original post). I obviously woke up the next morning pissed off and made this thread. As much I wanted the card I wanted to figure out who keeps doing this because this isn’t the first time this has happened. It has happened twice to me by a member who commented on this thread. One was a Mathewson CB and one was tried with a red Hindu McGraw. Since I was annoyed I messaged the seller on eBay and wanted to give him a chat to make it right. He felt bad and I think his story was legit so his hands were somewhat tied. He gave me his number and offered me some more smaller cubs tobacco cards for solid deals to make up for it and we can meet and make amends over lunch in the next few weeks. While we were texting he would not relay the original poster, but said 10-15 min ago that Fred had sent him a 10k offer, and wanted to get my opinion on real value. I still don’t know why Fred would send him an offer even as a joke I just find it weird. Whether I buy, sell, trade or collect I’m a legit person, I’ve done deals with countless people and have genuinely been more than gracious and generous to people… including giving cards away for free, giving refunds on bad grades or altered grades and so forth. I’m sure as hell not the seller of the Cobb, I wish I had a card of that magnitude.


The real Brett Kaufmann

[RCMcKenzie]

I agree with Rob's comment in post 2. How did you know the 'poacher', as you say, was on the thread, when the thread only had your original post, without an edit. Then, Fred, who has been on here a long time, and doesn't talk about T206 on here, as far I know, turns out to be the buyer who ruined your steal, as the other thread starter stated correctly.

I don't buy any stories about selling cards from grandpa's attic on eBay. No way I would send $4500 for a Cobb to an eBayer I didn't know.

[Republicaninmass]

9 times out of 10 when you out an auction here, a net54 user ends up winning it. Still wondering who lost on that uncle Jack's Ruth. Karma

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

9 times out of 10 when you out an auction here, a net54 user ends up winning it. Still wondering who lost on that uncle Jack's Ruth. Karma

this is true

[Fred]

Originally Posted by BKaufmann14

This is my last post on this thread because it’s gotten confusing so I’ll give you the run down. First off I was unaware I even had two accounts and I was trying to pull some shadiness I wouldn’t make it the same name practically just reversed. The story goes as this: someone posted my buy on here saying it was a steal and someone was lucky. This has been stated in the thread, about 20-30 min later I get an email from the seller saying someone offered more offline (screenshot from original post). I obviously woke up the next morning pissed off and made this thread. As much I wanted the card I wanted to figure out who keeps doing this because this isn’t the first time this has happened. It has happened twice to me by a member who commented on this thread. One was a Mathewson CB and one was tried with a red Hindu McGraw. Since I was annoyed I messaged the seller on eBay and wanted to give him a chat to make it right. He felt bad and I think his story was legit so his hands were somewhat tied. He gave me his number and offered me some more smaller cubs tobacco cards for solid deals to make up for it and we can meet and make amends over lunch in the next few weeks. While we were texting he would not relay the original poster, but said 10-15 min ago that Fred had sent him a 10k offer, and wanted to get my opinion on real value. I still don’t know why Fred would send him an offer even as a joke I just find it weird. Whether I buy, sell, trade or collect I’m a legit person, I’ve done deals with countless people and have genuinely been more than gracious and generous to people… including giving cards away for free, giving refunds on bad grades or altered grades and so forth. I’m sure as hell not the seller of the Cobb, I wish I had a card of that magnitude.


The real Brett Kaufmann

Brett,

Probably my final post on this also. It'd be nice if the seller would tell you who contacted them about the card after the sale. I can assure you, it wasn't me.

I sent the $10K offer to see what he'd do. That offer went out WELL past the time you originally posted this thread. I figured if he screwed you, he'd screw the person that "supposedly" offered up more than the BIN price and screwed you over. Apparently the seller still has the card from what you're indicating. My thought was that if the seller was greedy, then he'd probably screw the other person over but then he'd be stuck with the stuck with the card because I had no intention of buying it.

I have T206s because I collect vintage, but I'm not an aficionado of the set. I honestly have no clue what that card, with that back, is worth. I pulled the $10K number out of thin air.

Timing is everything. I'm assuming you have the multiple N54 ID handles cleared up because you're posting. Leon's a fair guy and I hope it didn't cause you too much consternation.

Since you seem to be buddies with the seller now, ask him when the $10K offer was made. I sent the offer a few minutes after post #32 (way past the time you started this thread). Then within no time you out me as the "poacher". Since people know people's ebay handles in this forum, I really didn't like the implication that I am a "poacher" or would pull some underhanded BS and screw someone out of a nice deal.

I hope you and the seller can work something out. Good luck.

[Republicaninmass]

It happened to me so often I offered a seller $500 to tell me who had contacted him. Pretty frustrating and disheartening when it is someone pretending to be your pal. It didnt surprise me when I caught him shilling off his signed 52 set, and I was more than happy to expose it.

[Jewish-collector]

This forum gets really entertaining when there's drama on ebay or in auction house and all the participants involved are members of Net54. beer chug.gifbeer chug.gifbeer chug.gif