S/O to this eBay seller/ and whoever messed with it

[Fred]

Originally Posted by kaufmannb14

I’m just going off what was said to me via eBay saying a guy offered him 10k apparently I have two different eBay’s. I’m not a troll or a bot. I’m a legit person who loves American Thai and watches anchorman on repeat. Whether it was messing with him or not you did message him saying you’d pay 10k, all did wa d ask how much the other offer was. He’s probably full of it, god damn this hobby is always creating a story lmao

Who ever you are - why would the seller of the card just arbitrarily contact you and tell you this? The timing is just too coincidental. Within about 20 minutes of me sending an ebay message, the seller just happens to contact you to tell you about a $10K offer that they just received. Sorry, I'm having a difficult time buying into this.

Why would the seller provide my ebay ID and not the person that actually "supposedly" poached it?

Is there a reason you have (2) N54 handles?

I see TROLL...

[Fred]

Interesting, ebay indicates Chawen_5502 is in Chicago. Last I knew, Chicago is in Illinois and that's the same state as the BKaufmann14 N54 ID indicates. I'm no rocket scientist but things just don't add up here.

[kaufmannb14]

Calm down fred. It sucks to be outed. There is no conspiracy going on. He messaged me saying someone else reached out and I asked for the username. Jsur so happens we are both in the Windy City. Stop gaslighting and move on. You go caught whether you were messing around or not.

[G1911]

So BKaufmann14 is saying he asked the seller who the higher offer was, and got this eBay username which he appears to have had no idea belongs to one of the people in this thread.

The possessor of this eBay username is alleging that there is something nefarious in having the two usernames kaufmannb14 and BKaufmann14, that it is suspicious BKaufmann14 and the seller are both in Illinois, and that his offer of the card was a joke or an effort to catch the seller somehow, but that he did make an offer.

Hm.

[babraham]

--breaks out popcorn--

[Fred]

Greg,

The timing is very suspicious - I actually felt really bad for the OP that said that he got screwed. I hate seeing that crap happen.

I figured I'd screw with that seller and see what he'd do if someone put in a large offer on the card. In less than half an hour (this is more than 12 hours after the OP said they got screwed by the seller re-negging on the sale), I'm being outed by the OP as the person that poached the card the day before or earlier in the day.

It made no sense to me that the ebay seller would immediately contact the person they screwed over and then tell them someone made a large offer on the card, especially if the card was supposedly sold to someone else already.

My only intent was to see what the seller would do. Instead within half an hour, the OP (using a second N54 ID, albeit similar to the OP name) outs me as the "poacher". I took a bit of offense to this and looked at the timing of it all and it just seemed really odd.

If Kaufmann is telling the truth, then there's a lot of odd timing and coincidences to this and I didn't appreciate being falsely outed as the "poacher" of this card. I'm all about a collector being able to "collect" and have an enjoyable time doing so because in these days of this hobby, there's too much BS going on and it's more dog eat dog than help thy fellow collector.

By the way, the ebay seller for the card hasn't contacted me.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Fred

Greg,

The timing is very suspicious - I actually felt really bad for the OP that said that he got screwed. I hate seeing that crap happen.

I figured I'd screw with that seller and see what he'd do if someone put in a large offer on the card. In less than half an hour (this is more than 12 hours after the OP said they got screwed by the seller re-negging on the sale), I'm being outed by the OP as the person that poached the card the day before or earlier in the day.

It made no sense to me that the ebay seller would immediately contact the person they screwed over and then tell them someone made a large offer on the card, especially if the card was supposedly sold to someone else already.

My only intent was to see what the seller would do. Instead within half an hour, the OP (using a second N54 ID, albeit similar to the OP name) outs me as the "poacher". I took a bit of offense to this and looked at the timing of it all and it just seemed really odd.

If Kaufmann is telling the truth, then there's a lot of odd timing and coincidences to this and I didn't appreciate being falsely outed as the "poacher" of this card. I'm all about a collector being able to "collect" and have an enjoyable time doing so because in these days of this hobby, there's too much BS going on and it's more dog eat dog than help thy fellow collector.

By the way, the ebay seller for the card hasn't contacted me.

I don't see what is suspicious or much room for a conspiracy in what he has said. Since you all agree that you made an offer to the seller, that's the information they have. The seller has an offer from you for $10,000, presumably he doesn't know you're doing it for, you say, some less than sincere purpose (what is the point in proving a seller that cancelled a deal for a higher offer will do that? That's already known). Seller gives that to the original buyer when asked, who posts it here, seeming not to know that ID is yours. What do you think happened? The seller and this poster are the same person, for what possible purpose? It doesn't seem to be a false outing, you all agree you did make a higher offer after the auction. Did you make that offer worded in a way that the seller, who relayed it to bkaufmann, would not reasonably take it at face value? Can you post the screen cap of the offer? Perhaps you were insincere in it and did not successfully poach, but if you make a poaching offer and they can't reasonably know your offer was fake for some reason, why would the seller and the person he relays it to assume it was a fake offer? I guess I just don't see why one would make a higher offer to a seller we already know takes higher offers, and how anyone else besides you would know, assuming it is true, that your intent was not to follow through on said offer and it was insincere, even if it was accepted. If I am selling a card and someone sends me an offer, I would assume their offer is sincere (since that is usually the case) unless I have reason to think it is insincere. To believe bkaufmann's story, while still assuming your statements are true, one only has to conclude A) the seller interpreted the offer as sincere as most people do, and B) gave bkaufmann the name of one of the people who offered more when asked. That's not much of a stretch. To believe bkaufmann is actually the seller requires a lot more jumps.

[jggames]

We've all had this happen to us and I've always gone back to the seller and said I'd match the higher offer, which often worked. Maybe that's because I'm a collector and not a flipper, I don't know. I'm surprised at how many people are for taking advantage of someone who doesn't know the value of what they have. I would have offered him $10K on principle.

[notfast]

Seller realizes mistake and makes up excuse saying someone offered more/selling for a family etc.

Guy from this forum “offers” $10k to seller.

Original buyer asks for a name.

Seller gives that $10k offer guys user name.

Guy on this forum says he was just playing a game to see what seller would do.


This is likely what happened. Seller will probably repost the card for sale.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by kaufmannb14

Calm down fred. It sucks to be outed. There is no conspiracy going on. He messaged me saying someone else reached out and I asked for the username. Jsur so happens we are both in the Windy City. Stop gaslighting and move on. You go caught whether you were messing around or not.

Not related to the original topic, I believe the ID thing has been figured out on my end. I have no comment about the thread itself. I hate it when people get in the way of sales though.