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Old 12-13-2022, 11:48 PM
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The Goudey Ruth's were printed in huge quantities too but it hasn't hurt their value. Same with Cobb T206s. The Kashin is a playing era card of the Babe at the height of his game and the image could not be improved upon (in my opinion). It's still pretty affordable for even the average collector. I don't know how much longer that will be true.
It being a quadruple print will always hurt its value and pretending it is anything close to the Goudey in demand is funny. It’s a great image and a card anyone should be proud to own but as for the original topic it’s not making the top 100 in my honest opinion.

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Old 12-14-2022, 07:10 AM
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It being a quadruple print will always hurt its value and pretending it is anything close to the Goudey in demand is funny. It’s a great image and a card anyone should be proud to own but as for the original topic it’s not making the top 100 in my honest opinion.
If you have 100 other cards in mind why not share your opinion on the topic? That is what the thread is for.
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Old 12-14-2022, 07:40 AM
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A lot of folks are talking about rare cards (not for grade, but true rarity). That is NOT how value is equated in the hobby. There has to be demand. It is far more important than supply. And members saying 6 and 7 figure cards will go up, you might be right but to 99% of us, that doesn't really matter. Unless I find something like that in the wild, or win the lottery, I won't have one. On the other hand, this could be a candidate for increasing value and they are still affordable.

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A lot of folks are talking about rare cards (not for grade, but true rarity). That is NOT how value is equated in the hobby. There has to be demand. It is far more important than supply. And members saying 6 and 7 figure cards will go up, you might be right but to 99% of us, that doesn't really matter. Unless I find something like that in the wild, or win the lottery, I won't have one. On the other hand, this could be a candidate for increasing value and they are still affordable.

Absolutely. All of the "bread" Jackie cards have been moving. The Exhibit sized one SGC 4.5 went for $3894 in the Lelands auction that just closed.

So are his Exhibit cards. Both of them (regular and Canadian). The regular Exhibit cards are settling into the $700-$800 range in vg-ex slabs. I think these have promise, especially if we in the ESCO research community can get our acts together and figure out the exact issue year.

This one has a PSA pop of 2 and hasn't transacted in three years; teeters on the edge of that rarity-obscurity spectrum

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Old 12-14-2022, 11:16 AM
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I think Jackie Robinson is the right track, but 5-10 years late on Jackie. Better bet now are the other HoF players of color whose names will arise in all retellings of baseball's integration: Doby, Campanella, Banks, Minoso, Clemente, Irvin, Frank Robinson. Also, any other "first of that team" players: Green, Jethroe, Thompson, et al.

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Old 12-14-2022, 11:30 AM
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1948 Swell Sport Thrills Jackie Robinson is another card of his that pre-dates the Leaf and is more rare.

It is also a condition sensitive card, so any card above a beater is extremely tough to find. Centering is extremely difficult too.

Card is already growing in value and has more room yet, especially the nicer examples via grade or eye appeal.
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I could not fathom a guess as to which card will increase most in value in the next 10 years but it is safe to say it will be one that I do not own.
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A lot of folks are talking about rare cards (not for grade, but true rarity). That is NOT how value is equated in the hobby. There has to be demand. It is far more important than supply. And members saying 6 and 7 figure cards will go up, you might be right but to 99% of us, that doesn't really matter. Unless I find something like that in the wild, or win the lottery, I won't have one. On the other hand, this could be a candidate for increasing value and they are still affordable.

I agree with every part of Leon's response. As for my opinion, I'm inclined that demand will continue to spike for modern international players like Ohtani. And maybe particularly Ohtani. If Ohtani continues to be mentioned annually for MVP consideration, and should he land on a decent team that enables him to compete for a World Series crown, I think his rookie cards including his autographed inserts will undergo even a more meteoric rise in value.
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I agree with every part of Leon's response. As for my opinion, I'm inclined that demand will continue to spike for modern international players like Ohtani. And maybe particularly Ohtani. If Ohtani continues to be mentioned annually for MVP consideration, and should he land on a decent team that enables him to compete for a World Series crown, I think his rookie cards including his autographed inserts will undergo even a more meteoric rise in value.
The Ohtani pick has to be the winner thus far I would imagine. Has much of anything else doubled since this thread was started?

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Has much of anything else doubled since this thread was started?
Almost everything Honus Wagner has exploded. One simple example is the M116 pastel, which has doubled in less than a year and gone up 4x in two years. I bet you would see similar, if not better, results looking at e90-2, D322, E103, e106 and most e92(ish) variations, etc. I don’t know much about Ohtani. But I doubt the Wagner stuff will go down.
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Almost everything Honus Wagner has exploded. One simple example is the M116 pastel, which has doubled in less than a year and gone up 4x in two years. I bet you would see similar, if not better, results looking at e90-2, D322, E103, e106 and most e92(ish) variations, etc. I don’t know much about Ohtani. But I doubt the Wagner stuff will go down.
Great point Ryan. Wagner has went nuts this last year or so. Absolutely bonkers. I had his finest graded m101 Famous and Barr Psa 6 and his e92 Croft’s in a crease free psa 3 and let them go before all of this but just briefly. Hindsight is 20/20. I can say I’m still very happy with cards in my collection regardless. Happy collecting.
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Almost everything Honus Wagner has exploded. One simple example is the M116 pastel, which has doubled in less than a year and gone up 4x in two years. I bet you would see similar, if not better, results looking at e90-2, D322, E103, e106 and most e92(ish) variations, etc. I don’t know much about Ohtani. But I doubt the Wagner stuff will go down.
As a point of reference on the D322, I picked up my SGC1 in Dec 2020 for $4k. The PSA A currently in REA is now at $20k+BP with 6 days to go.

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Almost everything Honus Wagner has exploded. One simple example is the M116 pastel, which has doubled in less than a year and gone up 4x in two years. I bet you would see similar, if not better, results looking at e90-2, D322, E103, e106 and most e92(ish) variations, etc. I don’t know much about Ohtani. But I doubt the Wagner stuff will go down.
Wow, certainly looks like a parabolic rise in Wagner stuff and yes it looks like the percentage rise beats what Ohtani stuff has done over the last year or so. I just read this whole thread, found it searching "Mantle Exhibit" on the forum as I'm currently interested in adding one to my collection. I didn't see anyone mention Wagner (other than the T206) on the thread but I may have missed it!

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[QUOTE=Leon;2293910]And members saying 6 and 7 figure cards will go up, you might be right but to 99% of us, that doesn't really matter./QUOTE]

Ok fair enough. Going more mainstream(ish), I feel that Musial and Hornsby are totally and completely undervalued. These are two of the best players ever, even better than many of the names mentioned here. Yet, their greatness is not reflected in card prices. Perhaps it is because of the cities/sub-markets they played in. Anyway, as prices for the Ruth, Cobb, Wagner, and Gehrig, in pre war, and Mantle, Mays, and Robinson, in post-war, make those players unattainable to many, that "many" will look to the next tier of "all-time" names. To me, Musial and Hornsby were as good as they get and their cards are so relatively affordable that their cards will benefit greatly from this trickle down. So:

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In addition to Hornsby and Musial, I think Ted Williams seems to have been dropped to the 2nd or 3rd tier in collectors' hierarchy over the past decade, and I am not sure why. When I was younger, Williams was always on the shortlist of Top 4-8 players all time. Now, it feels like he is an afterthought in most folks lists of Top 10-15 players.
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110% agree on Williams. He has just been left in the dust for some reason, so a good time to buy? Same with DiMaggio. Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio?
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