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Old 12-13-2022, 01:46 PM
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The Goudey Ruth's were printed in huge quantities too but it hasn't hurt their value. Same with Cobb T206s. The Kashin is a playing era card of the Babe at the height of his game and the image could not be improved upon (in my opinion). It's still pretty affordable for even the average collector. I don't know how much longer that will be true.

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I'm sorry, I can't think of any cards I have that I expect to drastically increase in value in the next 10 years. If I do, I'll probably sell it 3 months before it takes off.
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I also think the 1947 Bond Bread Jackie Robinson Portrait is a card that has a lot of room to spread its wings. For a long time it was kind of ignored and not collected all that much. I would see it come up for auction now and then and sell for a few hundred dollars in the old days.

There were some really strong sales for higher grade examples during the pandemic that elevated its status somewhat.

However, in my opinion this card is one of THE MOST significant baseball cards ever released and was the first to feature Jackie in a major league uniform:

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I also think the 1947 Bond Bread Jackie Robinson Portrait is a card that has a lot of room to spread its wings. For a long time it was kind of ignored and not collected all that much. I would see it come up for auction now and then and sell for a few hundred dollars in the old days.

There were some really strong sales for higher grade examples during the pandemic that elevated its status somewhat.

However, in my opinion this card is one of THE MOST significant baseball cards ever released and was the first to feature Jackie in a major league uniform:

I was thinking this one too, though I am not as hyperbolic about it. It is nicer looking and genuinely his RC compared to the 1949 Leaf card.

Another area to consider are Star basketball RCs from the early 1980s. In addition to having multiple Jordan RCs, there are a ton of RCs of HOFers in there, and now that PSA has decided to grade them, the top condition examples are good bets. There are a lot of crappy ones in Beckett slabs, so there are not sure crossovers, and the cards are full bleed color borders, so there will be lots of downgrades for corners.

I also think early Muhammad Ali cards are still undervalued. There are not a lot to choose from during Ali's pre-Vietnam years, and many of them are just obscure enough to keep them comparatively cheap.
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Is it hyperbolic to say that though? Jackie Robinson's debut was one of the most significant events in baseball history and this is his first card and the first time any player like him was pictured in a major league uniform. I think people's feelings about the card aren't hyperbolic ENOUGH (haha).
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For its attractiveness, relative rarity, and being so early, I've thought the 52 Red Man Mays sells for relatively little.
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I don't think I can choose one over a 10 year period, lots of things can happen in the market between now and then. And like others have said its might be a relatively obscure card now that will appreciate the most in that period.

That being said, I sold my 52 Jackie which is one of the most beautiful cards imo, to buy my 14CJ Cobb. Kind of a Sophies Choice but I think the Cobb will exceed Jackie value in years to come.
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Honus t206. Anything with Babe on it will do well. Feels like Gehrig has been mildly undervalued compared to Babe but not sure that changes.
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Jackie Robinson's debut was one of the most significant events in baseball history and this is his first card and the first time any player like him was pictured in a major league uniform.
I completely agree with the sentiment, which why I jumped on the Robinson bandwagon years ago, but I do understand that for a significant number of collectors, any superstar from the pre-integration era will beat it. I do think there is a lot of room for the card relative to the 1949 Leaf and the 1949 Bowman to become the go-to Robinson card. I say that because the bread card came into prominence relatively recently after the research was done to establish the facts of its issuance.
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I also think the 1947 Bond Bread Jackie Robinson Portrait is a card that has a lot of room to spread its wings. For a long time it was kind of ignored and not collected all that much. I would see it come up for auction now and then and sell for a few hundred dollars in the old days.

There were some really strong sales for higher grade examples during the pandemic that elevated its status somewhat.

However, in my opinion this card is one of THE MOST significant baseball cards ever released and was the first to feature Jackie in a major league uniform:

My vote too. I think more people will come to this realization as time goes by.
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Good thread- all the cards listed so far make sense.

I'll throw in the 1946 Propagandas Stan Musial. Low pop, interesting card, and I believe the first Musial card.
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I believe the Felix Mendelssohn Ruth a transition card between Redsox and Yankees
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I have no doubt 19th Century Scrappy Carroll Cabinets is the ONLY answer here.
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National Copper Plates/M101-1’s in general and this National Copper Plate Wagner in particular. As REA likes to say, “for those who recognize these premiums as cards, it’s his rookie card”, and it’s really beautiful when seen in person and has the bio on the back. In particular, quite rare and the catalyst would simply be grading, which has held back this set. In fact, a Young from the Sporting News M101-1 set with a corner torn off went for over $5000 recently as it was graded 1-PR by Beckett. I am holding out for PSA or SGC. Adding a Delehanty for show as well.
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The Goudey Ruth's were printed in huge quantities too but it hasn't hurt their value. Same with Cobb T206s. The Kashin is a playing era card of the Babe at the height of his game and the image could not be improved upon (in my opinion). It's still pretty affordable for even the average collector. I don't know how much longer that will be true.
It being a quadruple print will always hurt its value and pretending it is anything close to the Goudey in demand is funny. It’s a great image and a card anyone should be proud to own but as for the original topic it’s not making the top 100 in my honest opinion.

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It being a quadruple print will always hurt its value and pretending it is anything close to the Goudey in demand is funny. It’s a great image and a card anyone should be proud to own but as for the original topic it’s not making the top 100 in my honest opinion.
If you have 100 other cards in mind why not share your opinion on the topic? That is what the thread is for.
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A lot of folks are talking about rare cards (not for grade, but true rarity). That is NOT how value is equated in the hobby. There has to be demand. It is far more important than supply. And members saying 6 and 7 figure cards will go up, you might be right but to 99% of us, that doesn't really matter. Unless I find something like that in the wild, or win the lottery, I won't have one. On the other hand, this could be a candidate for increasing value and they are still affordable.

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A lot of folks are talking about rare cards (not for grade, but true rarity). That is NOT how value is equated in the hobby. There has to be demand. It is far more important than supply. And members saying 6 and 7 figure cards will go up, you might be right but to 99% of us, that doesn't really matter. Unless I find something like that in the wild, or win the lottery, I won't have one. On the other hand, this could be a candidate for increasing value and they are still affordable.

Absolutely. All of the "bread" Jackie cards have been moving. The Exhibit sized one SGC 4.5 went for $3894 in the Lelands auction that just closed.

So are his Exhibit cards. Both of them (regular and Canadian). The regular Exhibit cards are settling into the $700-$800 range in vg-ex slabs. I think these have promise, especially if we in the ESCO research community can get our acts together and figure out the exact issue year.

This one has a PSA pop of 2 and hasn't transacted in three years; teeters on the edge of that rarity-obscurity spectrum

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I think Jackie Robinson is the right track, but 5-10 years late on Jackie. Better bet now are the other HoF players of color whose names will arise in all retellings of baseball's integration: Doby, Campanella, Banks, Minoso, Clemente, Irvin, Frank Robinson. Also, any other "first of that team" players: Green, Jethroe, Thompson, et al.

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1948 Swell Sport Thrills Jackie Robinson is another card of his that pre-dates the Leaf and is more rare.

It is also a condition sensitive card, so any card above a beater is extremely tough to find. Centering is extremely difficult too.

Card is already growing in value and has more room yet, especially the nicer examples via grade or eye appeal.
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A lot of folks are talking about rare cards (not for grade, but true rarity). That is NOT how value is equated in the hobby. There has to be demand. It is far more important than supply. And members saying 6 and 7 figure cards will go up, you might be right but to 99% of us, that doesn't really matter. Unless I find something like that in the wild, or win the lottery, I won't have one. On the other hand, this could be a candidate for increasing value and they are still affordable.

I agree with every part of Leon's response. As for my opinion, I'm inclined that demand will continue to spike for modern international players like Ohtani. And maybe particularly Ohtani. If Ohtani continues to be mentioned annually for MVP consideration, and should he land on a decent team that enables him to compete for a World Series crown, I think his rookie cards including his autographed inserts will undergo even a more meteoric rise in value.
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I agree with every part of Leon's response. As for my opinion, I'm inclined that demand will continue to spike for modern international players like Ohtani. And maybe particularly Ohtani. If Ohtani continues to be mentioned annually for MVP consideration, and should he land on a decent team that enables him to compete for a World Series crown, I think his rookie cards including his autographed inserts will undergo even a more meteoric rise in value.
The Ohtani pick has to be the winner thus far I would imagine. Has much of anything else doubled since this thread was started?

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Has much of anything else doubled since this thread was started?
Almost everything Honus Wagner has exploded. One simple example is the M116 pastel, which has doubled in less than a year and gone up 4x in two years. I bet you would see similar, if not better, results looking at e90-2, D322, E103, e106 and most e92(ish) variations, etc. I don’t know much about Ohtani. But I doubt the Wagner stuff will go down.
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[QUOTE=Leon;2293910]And members saying 6 and 7 figure cards will go up, you might be right but to 99% of us, that doesn't really matter./QUOTE]

Ok fair enough. Going more mainstream(ish), I feel that Musial and Hornsby are totally and completely undervalued. These are two of the best players ever, even better than many of the names mentioned here. Yet, their greatness is not reflected in card prices. Perhaps it is because of the cities/sub-markets they played in. Anyway, as prices for the Ruth, Cobb, Wagner, and Gehrig, in pre war, and Mantle, Mays, and Robinson, in post-war, make those players unattainable to many, that "many" will look to the next tier of "all-time" names. To me, Musial and Hornsby were as good as they get and their cards are so relatively affordable that their cards will benefit greatly from this trickle down. So:

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In addition to Hornsby and Musial, I think Ted Williams seems to have been dropped to the 2nd or 3rd tier in collectors' hierarchy over the past decade, and I am not sure why. When I was younger, Williams was always on the shortlist of Top 4-8 players all time. Now, it feels like he is an afterthought in most folks lists of Top 10-15 players.
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110% agree on Williams. He has just been left in the dust for some reason, so a good time to buy? Same with DiMaggio. Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio?
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