Hall of Fame Ballot Announced

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ejharrington

He has a WWII collection, which would naturally include Nazi collectibles. Cancel!

Collect World War II material from all factions? Maybe read books? Have a historical interest? Cancel!

[glynparson]

Originally Posted by G1911

Collect World War II material from all factions? Maybe read books? Have a historical interest? Cancel!

Excuse it anyway you choose to but he has made comments as well that make me wonder why someone would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Honestly it’s kind of pathetic. That said about schilling being a piece of trash, and he is, I agree his playing career is hall worthy or at least worth discussing.

[packs]

It was discussed though. He has repeatedly been found to be unworthy of the Hall. He has had every opportunity to have his case reviewed and voted on. The vote has always been NO.

[JustinD]

Opinion stays the same.

Worst HOF of all major sports (and compared to the NBA that's something), getting in means nothing other than you kissed the right ass and had the correct drinking buddies. I would never have a HOF collection because I would prefer to collect better players.

The voting results are exactly what I expect every single year. I will continue to drive right on past Cooperstown.

Do I personally like any of the six players I would have took over any of those elections?

Not a one.

Are they invited to my family Christmas?

Nope, so why do I care. They are the better players.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Opinion stays the same.

Worst HOF of all major sports (and compared to the NBA that's something), getting in means nothing other than you kissed the right ass and had the correct drinking buddies. I would never have a HOF collection because I would prefer to collect better players.

The voting results are exactly what I expect every single year. I will continue to drive right on past Cooperstown.

Do I personally like any of the six players I would have took over any of those elections?

Not a one.

Are they invited to my family Christmas?

Nope, so why do I care. They are the better players.

+1 and I totally agree. The Baseball HOF is horrible. Not the brick and mortar, or the setting. The absolutely stupid admissions and glaring oversights that render it totally irrelevant.

[packs]

Totally irrelevant in what way? The baseball HOF is one of the most difficult in professional sports to get into and one of the few that have no election mandate and has no rules against going years or decades without inducting anyone. Only about 1 percent of all major league players ever are represented in the HOF.

The HOF also represents and preserves the history of women in baseball, the Negro Leagues, barnstorming, baseball abroad, and the executives, announcers, and other baseball personalities that have made the game a game enjoyed in this country by everyone in it for over 150 years. How is that an irrelevant HOF?

[jingram058]

If you're trying to defend Fred McGriff and Harold Baines, to the exclusion of players in this era who are truly worthy, conversation over. There's the problem of overlooking Mattingly, Munson, Schilling, Bonds, McGwire, et al, that seem stupid to a lot of people who might otherwise care. Finally, I couldn't care any less about the Pete Rose and Joe Jackson issues. There SEEMS to be some evidence making their gambling offenses appear lesser, and frankly, I couldn't care any less when Hal Chase and Heinie Zimmerman were openly, brazenly conspiring with gangsters and gamblers. I couldn't care any less about steroids, or spitballs, or any of that. I think Riggs Stephenson and Cecil Travis ought to be in. To deny them seems mean spirited. Why did it take so painfully long for Ron Santo and Gil Hodges to get in? Put these other guys in, correct these glaring wrongs in not just my but a whole lot of other people's opinion, and then you'll have a real, no $#it Hall Of Fame.

[triwak]

Originally Posted by packs

Totally irrelevant in what way? The baseball HOF is one of the most difficult in professional sports to get into and one of the few that have no election mandate and has no rules against going years or decades without inducting anyone. Only about 1 percent of all major league players ever are represented in the HOF.

The HOF also represents and preserves the history of women in baseball, the Negro Leagues, barnstorming, baseball abroad, and the executives, announcers, and other baseball personalities that have made the game a game enjoyed in this country by everyone in it for over 150 years. How is that an irrelevant HOF?

Agree and thank you for this post. BTW, I'm quite proud of my HOF card collection. Just purchased a Crime Dog rookie last night!

[dealme]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Opinion stays the same.

Worst HOF of all major sports (and compared to the NBA that's something), getting in means nothing other than you kissed the right ass and had the correct drinking buddies. I would never have a HOF collection because I would prefer to collect better players.

The voting results are exactly what I expect every single year. I will continue to drive right on past Cooperstown.

Do I personally like any of the six players I would have took over any of those elections?

Not a one.

Are they invited to my family Christmas?

Nope, so why do I care. They are the better players.

Justin,

I don’t necessarily disagree with much of what you said regarding the hall itself, but I would urge you to stop if for no other reason to take in the museum portion of the operation. It’s truly amazing in my opinion.

Regards,
Mark


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[Tabe]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Worst HOF of all major sports (and compared to the NBA that's something)

Because I can be incredibly pedantic at times, I'll point out that the NBA doesn't have a HOF.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Because I can be incredibly pedantic at times, I'll point out that the NBA doesn't have a HOF.

Based on an admitted pedant's specifications, I will agree there also are none for MLB, NFL, and NHL as well

[G1911]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Excuse it anyway you choose to but he has made comments as well that make me wonder why someone would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Honestly it’s kind of pathetic. That said about schilling being a piece of trash, and he is, I agree his playing career is hall worthy or at least worth discussing.

What benefit of the doubt? He has publicly posted a lot of his collection; the material is of all factions in WWII. The claim he is a Nazi-centric collector with the implication of being some sort of Nazi is false. Attacking people for having an interest in history is pretty stupid.

If the context was his other comments, I would agree. I wish he would shut up. I don’t want to hear about athletes hot political takes. I find murder jokes to be in poor taste from left or right. That doesn’t mean every charge made against the man is true. Schilling has given people plenty of things he actually did to object too; others do not need to be made up.

[packs]

I don't really see why people keep talking about Schilling in terms of his opinions or past behaviors. He's not in because he's not a HOFer. He had 10 years on the ballot and 10 years's worth of writers didn't pick him. Now he's had another chance and a 16 member committee, made up of people whose political leanings you cannot possibly know, who come from different lanes of baseball, across different generations, including fellow contemporary HOFers; not one group of people has ever come together and elected him.

I don't think it's realistic to suggest he has done one thing, or two things, or three things that have united all these people against him. Maybe they just don't think he's a HOFer and that's why he's not in the HOF. And that's all that these people, an ever changing group of them who have been voting on his candidacy since 2013, have in common.

[ejharrington]

Originally Posted by Carter08

The guy literally has a nazi memorabilia collection. I’m not crying that he’s not in.

Originally Posted by packs

I don't really see why people keep talking about Schilling in terms of his opinions or past behaviors. He's not in because he's not a HOFer. He had 10 years on the ballot and 10 years's worth of writers didn't pick him. Now he's had another chance and a 16 member committee, made up of people whose political leanings you cannot possibly know, who come from different lanes of baseball, across different generations, including fellow contemporary HOFers; not one group of people has ever come together and elected him.

I don't think it's realistic to suggest he has done one thing, or two things, or three things that have united all these people against him. Maybe they just don't think he's a HOFer and that's why he's not in the HOF. And that's all that these people, an ever changing group of them who have been voting on his candidacy since 2013, have in common.

"He's not in because he's not a HOFer." Circular logic. His numbers and big moments show him as a clear HOFer. He's not in due to politics.

[packs]

Originally Posted by ejharrington

"He's not in because he's not a HOFer." Circular logic. His numbers and big moments show him as a clear HOFer. He's not in due to politics.

But that's a really simple thing to say about an ever changing group of people who vote on him. Is it likely that every single group of voters who have voted on Schilling for the past decade and this year all have the same personal politics?