Help With Old Judge White Whales

[autograf]

super clean card and I love how that upper right "old judge cigarettes" shows how they 'pasted' that onto the negative. Very very cool.

[oldjudge]

Hi Tom! Yes, I wish they all looked that nice

[anchorednw]

NFS. Just began collecting Old Judge within the last few months and I am proud to say I have completed the Abner Dalrymple pose run (thanks to Jay!).

Will eventually send these off to SGC, but right now I can't bring myself to stop looking at them or let them out of my sight.

Thank you, Jay, for opening your vault, your time, and your knowledge.

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by anchorednw

NFS. Just began collecting Old Judge within the last few months and I am proud to say I have completed the Abner Dalrymple pose run (thanks to Jay!).

Jay has helped many of us, thank you Jay!

Brian, why stop at one copy of each pose, you can now chase the variations.

113-1 Hands on hips, feet apart
a. Dalrymple, L.F. Pittsburg (B-0229-A, G)
b. Dalrymple, Left Field, Pittsburg (B-0229-B)
c. Dalrymple, L.F., Denvers (Fc)
113-2 Hands on hips, L/foot behind R/foot
a. Dalrymple, L.F. Pittsburg (B-0232-A)
b. Dalrymple, Left Field, Pittsburg (B-0232-B)
c. Dalrymple, L.F., Denvers (Fc)
113-3 Throw, R/hand head high
a. Dalrymple, L.F. Pittsburg (B-0230-A, Es)
b. Dalrymple, Left Field, Pittsburg (B-0230-B)
c. Dalrymple, L.F., Denvers (Fc)
d. Dolrynigle, L.F. Pittsburg (Fa)
113-4 Bat at ready nearly vertical
a. Dalrymple, L.F. Pittsburg (B-0231-A)
b. Dalrymple, Left Field, Pittsburg (B-0231-B)

I highlighted your copies in BLUE
Dalrymple many variations spanning 1887-89.

1887
8 N172s, 1 N175
1888
1 N172*, 1 N173
1889
3 N172s

You could have a dozen different N172s!, his lone 1888 example being an interesting misspelling "Dolrynigle".

[anchorednw]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

Jay has helped many of us, thank you Jay!

Brian, why stop at one copy of each pose, you can now chase the variations.

Indeed, I wouldn't have my love for OJs without y'alls book and without Jay feeding my Abner Dalrymple appetite.

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

113-1 Hands on hips, feet apart
a. Dalrymple, L.F. Pittsburg (B-0229-A, G)
b. Dalrymple, Left Field, Pittsburg (B-0229-B)
c. Dalrymple, L.F., Denvers (Fc)
113-2 Hands on hips, L/foot behind R/foot
a. Dalrymple, L.F. Pittsburg (B-0232-A)
b. Dalrymple, Left Field, Pittsburg (B-0232-B)
c. Dalrymple, L.F., Denvers (Fc)
113-3 Throw, R/hand head high
a. Dalrymple, L.F. Pittsburg (B-0230-A, Es)
b. Dalrymple, Left Field, Pittsburg (B-0230-B)
c. Dalrymple, L.F., Denvers (Fc)
d. Dolrynigle, L.F. Pittsburg (Fa)
113-4 Bat at ready nearly vertical
a. Dalrymple, L.F. Pittsburg (B-0231-A)
b. Dalrymple, Left Field, Pittsburg (B-0231-B)

I highlighted your copies in BLUE
Dalrymple many variations spanning 1887-89.

Wow! Thank you for breaking this down for me Joe! Such valuable info here. Thank you for compiling and sharing.

A few questions:
1) When listing these out (ie. 113-1 Hands on hips, feet apart, a. Dalrymple, L.F. Pittsburg (B-0229-A, G)
What does the "B-0229-A" stand for and what does the "G" stand for?
2) Are some of these scarcer than others?

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

You could have a dozen different N172s!, his lone 1888 example being an interesting misspelling "Dolrynigle".

Yes, I believe I will set out to continue. I have already acquired 2 others (113.3.c. Dalrymple, L.F., Denvers (Fc) & 113.1.b. Dalrymple, Left Field, Pittsburg (B-0229-B)
So, if anybody knows of any the others available anywhere (including that misspelling, the GQ or cabinet), I'm all ears!

Thank you again for your work on OJs and sharing your knowledge. Much appreciated.

[Joe_G.]

Not to derail Jay's BST entry, but I'll provide a brief explanation . . .

First, we cannot take credit for the list as provided above. This is based on the Cartophilic listing, we added hundreds of additions (including Dalrymple), but credit for the way in which the set has been checklisted is owed to the British Cartophilic Society.

The Old Judge book does cover how to decode the Cartophilic listing but can be broken down as follows:

B-0229-A = Leading zero type A (flying hot dog 'Old Judge' Cigarette banner)
B-0229-B = Leading zero type B ('Old Judge' Cigarette typical in rectangular box, script at bottom)
Fa = one of two N172 types from 1888
Fc = 1889 N172
Es = Gypsy Queen
G = Cabinet

If you watch for Abner's cards long enough, you may very well discover new variations not checklisted. I suspect he had more than one pose issued as GQ and cabinet, also suspect more of his poses were issued in 1888. He could have several more variants but are all likely rare, some perhaps lost to time. Let us know if you identify a new variant, good luck!!

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

Not to derail Jay's BST entry, but I'll provide a brief explanation . . .

First, we cannot take credit for the list as provided above. This is based on the Cartophilic listing, we added hundreds of additions (including Dalrymple), but credit for the way in which the set has been checklisted is owed to the British Cartophilic Society.

The Old Judge book does cover how to decode the Cartophilic listing but can be broken down as follows:

B-0229-A = Leading zero type A (flying hot dog 'Old Judge' Cigarette banner)
B-0229-B = Leading zero type B ('Old Judge' Cigarette typical in rectangular box, script at bottom)
Fa = one of two N172 types from 1888
Fc = 1889 N172
Es = Gypsy Queen
G = Cabinet

If you watch for Abner's cards long enough, you may very well discover new variations not checklisted. I suspect he had more than one pose issued as GQ and cabinet, also suspect more of his poses were issued in 1888. He could have several more variants but are all likely rare, some perhaps lost to time. Let us know if you identify a new variant, good luck!!

Let me echo what Joe said. The original Old Judge listing published by the British Cartophilic Society was compiled by the great Edward Wharton-Tigre. We just updated what he had done in the pre-internet age. He did all the heavy lifting.