Ebay Authentication - It Gets Personal

[G1911]

Looks like this is the card, using the sold listings?

If so, I understand for rejecting, because it is not NR-MT as the title claims. Bottom right corner especially.

If they rejected it for authenticity as OP is saying, then I have a lot of questions for CSG.

This is why I don't want the program. My eyes work and I know what I'm buying, please don't tell me I can't have what I want and buy.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I am confused, a raw card would not have gone to PSA.

[Steve D]

I'm just wondering if there's something wrong with the top border of the card. It looks like it may be slightly bowed (convex).

Steve

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by G1911

Looks like this is the card, using the sold listings?

If so, I understand for rejecting, because it is not NR-MT as the title claims. Bottom right corner especially.

If they rejected it for authenticity as OP is saying, then I have a lot of questions for CSG.

This is why I don't want the program. My eyes work and I know what I'm buying, please don't tell me I can't have what I want and buy.

Greg, that is indeed the card and other Greg labelled it nrmt. I don't understand why CSG would be involved since I bought it raw and had no attention of grading it. I just wanted the card I won and paid in a GM auction, not this Chinese water torture test from this idiot program Ebay dreamed up. Has anyone else endured anything like this from a GM win?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Greg, that is indeed the card and other Greg labelled it nrmt. I don't understand why CSG would be involved since I bought it raw and had no attention of grading it. I just wanted the card I won and paid in a GM auction, not this Chinese water torture test from this idiot program Ebay dreamed up. Has anyone else endured anything like this from a GM win?

CSG is involved because over a threshold ebay has a mamdatory authentication, it's that simple and you have no choice as a buyer.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Greg, that is indeed the card and other Greg labelled it nrmt. I don't understand why CSG would be involved since I bought it raw and had no attention of grading it. I just wanted the card I won and paid in a GM auction, not this Chinese water torture test from this idiot program Ebay dreamed up. Has anyone else endured anything like this from a GM win?

I hate the program, but I have yet to be screwed by it.

I get why they might flag it for the grade, since it isn't NRMT like Morris listed it, but I would think a reasonable program would give the buyer a choice, not force cancel it.

I've arranged a lot of deals I used to do on eBay to be off eBay after this program, because I fear exactly this. I know that a card is often lower grade than the seller claims, or I fear they won't recognize what it even is and will cancel the transaction. I just want the card I, of my own free will, chose to enter into a contract to buy. It makes no sense a grading company I do not care about has to sign off that I am allowed to do this. I hope but doubt eBay ends up killing this garbage.

[Yoda]

I just reread Greg's email. All he states is 'that the card has been rejected by the Ebay protection program". By who? Why? What now? I suspect you guys are right and Greg overgraded the card and it was then deemed unworthy of nrmt, by I suppose PSA.
All I know is that I am sitting here fuming, out $537 and no Spahny to comfort me.. A pox on the Ebay protection program.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I just reread Greg's email. All he states is 'that the card has been rejected by the Ebay protection program". By who? Why? What now? I suspect you guys are right and Greg overgraded the card and it was then deemed unworthy of nrmt, by I suppose PSA.
All I know is that I am sitting here fuming, out $537 and no Spahny to comfort me.. A pox on the Ebay protection program.

Once again, it was NOT PSA, it was CSG.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I just reread Greg's email. All he states is 'that the card has been rejected by the Ebay protection program". By who? Why? What now? I suspect you guys are right and Greg overgraded the card and it was then deemed unworthy of nrmt, by I suppose PSA.
All I know is that I am sitting here fuming, out $537 and no Spahny to comfort me.. A pox on the Ebay protection program.

Pretty sure you'll get a refund for the purchase.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Pretty sure you'll get a refund for the purchase.

I think it's automatic.

[robertsmithnocure]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I just reread Greg's email. All he states is 'that the card has been rejected by the Ebay protection program". By who? Why? What now? I suspect you guys are right and Greg overgraded the card and it was then deemed unworthy of nrmt, by I suppose PSA.
All I know is that I am sitting here fuming, out $537 and no Spahny to comfort me.. A pox on the Ebay protection program.

Yoda — this situation sucks, but you will GM will definitely make you 100% whole. There is not way that you will be out your $537 for more than a couple of days. As someone else mentioned, you could probably call or email GM directly and buy the card directly from him, outside of ebay.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I just reread Greg's email. All he states is 'that the card has been rejected by the Ebay protection program". By who? Why? What now? I suspect you guys are right and Greg overgraded the card and it was then deemed unworthy of nrmt, by I suppose PSA.
All I know is that I am sitting here fuming, out $537 and no Spahny to comfort me.. A pox on the Ebay protection program.

As has been stated, CSG looks at raw cards sold on eBay valued over $250. PSA looks at graded cards sold on ebay valued over $250. If a raw card does not meet the seller's grade description it is rejected by CSG and the buyer is refunded by eBay. PSA was not involved in this. Also doubt that Greg, himself, was emailing you but someone who handles these things at Greg's.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I just reread Greg's email. All he states is 'that the card has been rejected by the Ebay protection program". By who? Why? What now? I suspect you guys are right and Greg overgraded the card and it was then deemed unworthy of nrmt, by I suppose PSA.

All I know is that I am sitting here fuming, out $537 and no Spahny to comfort me.. A pox on the Ebay protection program.

You said before GMC said the card was not authentic. Now you re-read it and it doesn't say that? There is a big difference between authenticity and grade, those are very different things. Can you copy the letter to your post please so we all can see what it says.

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[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

You said before GMC said the card was not authentic. Now you re-read it and it doesn't say that? There is a big difference between authenticity and grade, those are very different things. Can you copy the letter to your post please so we all can see what it says.

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I think the confusion comes from the fact that eBay calls it the 'eBay Authentication' program, and when a card fails, eBay sends you an email that says the card "failed authentication". But it can fail for multiple reasons. One of which is the card's condition simply not matching the listing, or hidden flaws that are not visible in the images and not disclosed in the listing.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by G1911

Looks like this is the card, using the sold listings?

If so, I understand for rejecting, because it is not NR-MT as the title claims. Bottom right corner especially.

If they rejected it for authenticity as OP is saying, then I have a lot of questions for CSG.

This is why I don't want the program. My eyes work and I know what I'm buying, please don't tell me I can't have what I want and buy.

If you look on the back of the card, the corners are even worse. Top right corner of the back looks like it might have some paper loss. CSG almost certainly rejected this one because of it being listed as NR-MINT.

Also, GregMorris has been having some grading issues as of late. I buy a ton of cards from them every week, and over the past couple weeks I've gotten numerous cards with creases or wrinkles that were not disclosed, as well as some 1986 Fleer basketball cards that were clearly trimmed and even one that was recolored (and not difficult to find with the card in hand). Something is going on at GM, because I never used to get stuff like this from them. I also noticed they put out an advertisement on social media that they are looking to hire a grader... So hopefully things turn back around for them in the near future.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Snowman

If you look on the back of the card, the corners are even worse. Top right corner of the back looks like it might have some paper loss. CSG almost certainly rejected this one because of it being listed as NR-MINT.

Also, GregMorris has been having some grading issues as of late. I buy a ton of cards from them every week, and over the past couple weeks I've gotten numerous cards with creases or wrinkles that were not disclosed, as well as some 1986 Fleer basketball cards that were clearly trimmed and even one that was recolored (and not difficult to find with the card in hand). Something is going on at GM, because I never used to get stuff like this from them. I also noticed they put out an advertisement on social media that they are looking to hire a grader... So hopefully things turn back around for them in the near future.

I’m pretty sure you are right, my confusion was because the OP said it was rejected for “authenticity”. It’s clearly authentic, but also clearly a false grade. I have no faith in the graders and their appeals to authority, but I’d be pretty surprised if they are this bad at authentication.

I buy a fair amount from Morris. I have a 65 Jim Otto sitting here he described as VG-VG/EX but looks NRMT in hand and I can’t find what’s wrong. I’ve also gotten a few that are wildly over graded, which is why I use the scans and ignore what sellers state to me is the condition. Morris delivers what I buy, scans well, and has good combined shipping. Amid all the cards he sells for double what they cost from other sellers, a fair number of the weekly listings go for regularp prices, and with combined shipping stack pretty well for large orders.