Casey Stengel and Dave Roberts...

Mungo Hungo · #1 10-25-2022, 12:51 AM

By my count, since that 1949-53 run, five different teams have played at a 100-win (or better) pace for five years. Those are the teams you would think might win five World Series in a row, or at least 4 of 5.

But those five teams combined for seven World Series titles, and none won more than two:
Yankees 1954-58 .631 (102 wins per year in a 162-game season) - 2 WS titles
Yankees 1960-64 .630 (102) - 2 WS titles
Reds 1972-76 .626 (101) - 2 WS titles
Braves 1996-2000 .619 (100) - 0 WS titles
Dodgers 2017-21 or 2018-22 .636 (103) or .646 (105) - 1 WS title

The 5 WS titles in 5 years looks pretty good in comparison.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 10-26-2022, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mungo Hungo

By my count, since that 1949-53 run, five different teams have played at a 100-win (or better) pace for five years. Those are the teams you would think might win five World Series in a row, or at least 4 of 5.

But those five teams combined for seven World Series titles, and none won more than two:
Yankees 1954-58 .631 (102 wins per year in a 162-game season) - 2 WS titles
Yankees 1960-64 .630 (102) - 2 WS titles
Reds 1972-76 .626 (101) - 2 WS titles
Braves 1996-2000 .619 (100) - 0 WS titles
Dodgers 2017-21 or 2018-22 .636 (103) or .646 (105) - 1 WS title

The 5 WS titles in 5 years looks pretty good in comparison.

Let's not forget Stengel was also there 54-60. 2 WS in 7 years with the Mantle/Berra/Ford nucleus and some damn good supporting cast.

Mungo Hungo · #3 10-27-2022, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Let's not forget Stengel was also there 54-60. 2 WS in 7 years with the Mantle/Berra/Ford nucleus and some damn good supporting cast.

Absolutely. So why was Stengel so successful in the WS with the earlier teams, and not as much with the later teams? Both the successes and failures might have very little to do with him, and more to do with the respective inherent abilities of the players on those teams to focus for a short series. Or, given the small sample size, it could be largely random chance.

In any event, it's interesting that most regular season dynasties are only marginally successful in the postseason, but that the 1949-53 Yankees, for whatever reason, managed to extend their dominance to the World Series.

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