MLB Greats Who Bordered on Post Season Zero's Or Mediocre

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Barry Bonds mostly sucked. Ty Cobb wasn't very good.

Bonds while hitting only .245 hit 9 home runs and walked 52 times in 200 AB's.

Stick to hijacking threads by talking about bad music, your baseball knowledge is subpar.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Bonds while hitting only .245 hit 9 home runs and walked 52 times in 200 AB's.

Stick to hijacking threads by talking about bad music, your baseball knowledge is subpar.

You can also look at the 2002 WS, which tends to make up for his previous struggles:

.471 BA
.700 OBP
1.994 OPS
8 hits, including 2 doubles and 4 HRs in 17 ABs, plus 13 walks for 30 PAs total

While my Giants lost to the Halos and their worthless rally monkey, there was some chatter that Bonds might have a legit shot at MVP.

[Lorewalker]

Kershaw

[rats60]

Barry Bonds .191 with 1 HR and 3 RBI without steroids was a total zero.

Willie Mays .248/.343/.325 1 HR in 134 PA was almost as bad.

Clayton Kershaw 4.22 ERA in 194 is the worst for pitchers with 100+ innings.

Roger Clemens was almost as bad with his 3.75 ERA (3.88 ERA 1-2 in 9 starts without steroids).

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by rats60

Barry Bonds .191 with 1 HR and 3 RBI without steroids was a total zero.

Willie Mays .248/.343/.325 1 HR in 134 PA was almost as bad.

Clayton Kershaw 4.22 ERA in 194 is the worst for pitchers with 100+ innings.

Roger Clemens was almost as bad with his 3.75 ERA (3.88 ERA 1-2 in 9 starts without steroids).

It's funny how you and others need to bring up steroids when you talk about Bonds stats, yet you celebrate the Yankees 2009 World Series when most of the team were 'roids guys: Arod, Clemens, Pettitte, knoblauch, Giambi, etc.

So World Series Titles with steroids guys are ok, but stats don't count. Yah that makes sense. You'd make a great Democrat.

[mrreality68]

Just remembered and had to confirm

Roger Hornsby 2nd Higher career batting avg at .358 and in playoffs with St. Louis and Chicago

Only .245 Batting Average, .288 OBP and .327 Slugging with no homers over 12 games and 49 AB’s

And with that every thread needs a Card

[bbcard1]

Ernie Banks. Absent on picture day.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

It's funny how you and others need to bring up steroids when you talk about Bonds stats, yet you celebrate the Yankees 2009 World Series when most of the team were 'roids guys: Arod, Clemens, Pettitte, knoblauch, Giambi, etc.

So World Series Titles with steroids guys are ok, but stats don't count. Yah that makes sense. You'd make a great Democrat.

In a thread with steroids, playoff lightweights, Barry Bonds, and the New York Yankees...you chose to introduce politics?

Weren't there enough topics for people to bicker over?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

It's funny how you and others need to bring up steroids when you talk about Bonds stats, yet you celebrate the Yankees 2009 World Series when most of the team were 'roids guys: Arod, Clemens, Pettitte, knoblauch, Giambi, etc.

So World Series Titles with steroids guys are ok, but stats don't count. Yah that makes sense. You'd make a great Democrat.

When did I ever celebrate the Yankees 2009 WS title? I can't stand the Yankees or ARoid. The same for the Red Sox and Big Dopey or any other dopers.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

It's funny how you and others need to bring up steroids when you talk about Bonds stats, yet you celebrate the Yankees 2009 World Series when most of the team were 'roids guys: Arod, Clemens, Pettitte, knoblauch, Giambi, etc.

So World Series Titles with steroids guys are ok, but stats don't count. Yah that makes sense. You'd make a great Democrat.

The problem with Bonds irrespective of steroids, was a classic narcissist approach, it was King Barry, his special chair, and his supporting cast. You don't win Championships that way, he wasn't a leader, he was selfish to no end, and cared little for his teammates. His attitude repelled so many people who wanted to root for him. He made his Godfather, arguably the greatest player ever, uncomfortable to be his Godfather. No wonder Jeff Kent wanted to kick his ass in the dugout during a game. He really made himself such an unlikeable character and none of it was necessary. Barry was cancer and needed to be cut out.

Compare that era to the 2010/12/14 WS Giants, that's how you build a team and win.

Signed,
Devout Giants fan for 50 years.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

The problem with Bonds irrespective of steroids, was a classic narcissist approach, it was King Barry, his special chair, and his supporting cast. You don't win Championships that way, he wasn't a leader, he was selfish to no end, and cared little for his teammates. His attitude repelled so many people who wanted to root for him. He made his Godfather, arguably the greatest player ever, uncomfortable to be his Godfather. No wonder Jeff Kent wanted to kick his ass in the dugout during a game. He really made himself such an unlikeable character and none of it was necessary. Barry was cancer and needed to be cut out.

Compare that era to the 2010/12/14 WS Giants, that's how you build a team and win.

Signed,
Devout Giants fan for 50 years.

Did you see the DeNiro movie The Fan? Wesley Snipes was awesome as a Bonds=based character.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Did you see the DeNiro movie The Fan? Wesley Snipes was awesome as a Bonds=based character.

Oh no, here we go.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by rats60

Barry Bonds .191 with 1 HR and 3 RBI without steroids was a total zero.

Willie Mays .248/.343/.325 1 HR in 134 PA was almost as bad.

Clayton Kershaw 4.22 ERA in 194 is the worst for pitchers with 100+ innings.

Roger Clemens was almost as bad with his 3.75 ERA (3.88 ERA 1-2 in 9 starts without steroids).

Its true that Mays was not his dominant self with the bat in the postseason. Unfortunately for him, much of his postseason experience was well before and after his prime. I believe the stat line you sight includes the Negro League World Series, when Willie was just 17 years old. Mays also struggled in the WS during his rookie year in the MLB in 1951 when he was 20. In limited playing time, he also wasn't his dominant self with the Mets in 1973, his final season, at age 42.

But if you look at his other postseason appearances (ages 23, 31 and 40) he was was a little better. His slash line for those years was .263/.353/.403. Not great for Willie, but not a total disaster either.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Its true that Mays was not his dominant self at the bat in the postseason. Unfortunately for him, much of his postseason experience was well before and after his prime. I believe the stat line you sight includes the Negro League World Series, when Willie was just 17 years old. Mays also struggled in the WS during his rookie year in the MLB in 1951 when he was 20. In limited playing time, he also wasn't his dominant self with the Mets in 1973, his final season.

But if you look at his other postseason appearances (ages 23, 31 and 40) he was was a little better. His slash line for those years was .263/.353/.403. Not great for Willie, but not a total disaster either.

WIllie was on deck when Bobby Thomson went deep.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

WIllie was on deck when Bobby Thomson went deep.

Its true. I also heard about a Catch he made in the '54 Series. Supposed to have been really impressive or something.

[G1911]

Political insults by post 12. Sounds about right.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Its true. I also heard about a Catch he made in the '54 Series. Supposed to have been really impressive or something.

The astonishing thing about the catch is not how much ground he covered so quickly, but how he instantly judged the flight of the ball and ran to the exact right place.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Its true that Mays was not his dominant self at the bat in the postseason. Unfortunately for him, much of his postseason experience was well before and after his prime. I believe the stat line you sight includes the Negro League World Series, when Willie was just 17 years old. Mays also struggled in the WS during his rookie year in the MLB in 1951 when he was 20. In limited playing time, he also wasn't his dominant self with the Mets in 1973, his final season, at age 42.

But if you look at his other postseason appearances (ages 23, 31 and 40) he was was a little better. His slash line for those years was .263/.353/.403. Not great for Willie, but not a total disaster either.

He was ROY in 1951, so I don't think it is fair to discount that WS. I forgot bbref adds the NMLBs. Taking just his Giants postseasons .241 BA .342 SLG and 1 HR in 22 games. Mays was always great in the field, but he never had a great offensive postseason. Compare that to Clemente and Aaron who were exceptional and Mantle, although his BA was . 257, slugged .535 with 18 HRs.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by rats60

He was ROY in 1951, so I don't think it is fair to discount that WS. I forgot bbref adds the NMLBs. Taking just his Giants postseasons .241 BA .342 SLG and 1 HR in 22 games. Mays was always great in the field, but he never had a great offensive postseason. Compare that to Clemente and Aaron who were exceptional and Mantle, although his BA was . 257, slugged .535 with 18 HRs.

Mays slugged .600 with an OPS .989 during his 1971 postseason. Even by Mays' standards, that is pretty great.

No one is claiming Mays was better than Clemente, Aaron, or Mantle in the postseason.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Mays slugged .600 with an OPS .989 during his 1971 postseason. Even by Mays' standards, that is pretty great.

No one is claiming Mays was better than Clemente, Aaron, or Mantle in the postseason.

And yet the World Series MVP is named after him…

[rats60]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Mays slugged .600 with an OPS .989 during his 1971 postseason. Even by Mays' standards, that is pretty great.

No one is claiming Mays was better than Clemente, Aaron, or Mantle in the postseason.

In the same series Bob Robertson hit .438/.438/1.250/1.688 with 4 HRs.

Mays was ok, Robertson was great.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Bonds while hitting only .245 hit 9 home runs and walked 52 times in 200 AB's.

Stick to hijacking threads by talking about bad music, your baseball knowledge is subpar.

And those averages were helped a lot by one outstanding WS. As I said, he MOSTLY sucked, and I stand by that. There is likely a bad song on point too, wise one.

[Bpm0014]

…you chose to introduce politics?

He wasn’t lying...

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And those averages were helped a lot by one outstanding WS. As I said, he MOSTLY sucked, and I stand by that. There is likely a bad song on point too, wise one.

"one outstanding World Series"

hard to suck when you are outstanding. (that's what she said)

thank you.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

"one outstanding World Series"

hard to suck when you are outstanding. (that's what she said)

thank you.

The many playoffs series in which he sucked were not the one in which he was outstanding. Seems consistent to me, but perhaps I am damaged from all that Dylan.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The many playoffs series in which he sucked were not the one in which he was outstanding. Seems consistent to me, but perhaps I am damaged from all that Dylan.

Bob Dylan sounds like he has balls in his mouth when he sings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHvpPdD0KfU

[Shoeless Moe]

now back to players who failed to show up in the Postseason.

How 'bout David Wright

.198 career postseason BA - 24 games

18 for 106 2 HRs.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

now back to players who failed to show up in the Postseason.

How 'bout David Wright

.198 career postseason BA - 24 games

18 for 106 2 HRs.

Do not remind me I thought I put that out of my mind.

He played so so well (when healthy) during the regular season and then he went on vacation in the playoffs.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Bob Dylan sounds like he has balls in his mouth when he sings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHvpPdD0KfU

Unlike Mike Trout though, he probably could figure out a lawnmower.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Unlike Mike Trout though, he probably could figure out a lawnmower.

Focus, you are starting to drift again.

Hopefully you are enjoying the Yankee beatdown that's going on in Houston.


Sweep? or do the Yankees steal one and bow out 4 games to 1.