Quaker Ruth Premium record hammer

[BobC]

Are you all sure this is a legit sale? Before assuming so, wait and see if the seller ever gets positive feedback for this. Also, watch and see if these same premiums suddenly start showing up more on Ebay now, usually with much higher than expected starting bids or BIN prices.

A few months ago, I came across a series of Ebay auctions all selling the same/similar 2002 Topps 206 game used bat relic card of Honus Wagner. There were several, about 4 or 5, that supposedly sold for anywhere from just under $2K to over $5K. Not always from the same seller, nor always to the same buyer. But with some similar parties through the mix, and some people bidding in multiple auctions for the same Wagner relic card. The odd thing was, not a one of those supposedly sold and completed sales of that similar card resulted in any of the sellers ever getting one single positive feedback reference from the sale of their Wagner relic card. Now I could see 1, maybe 2, such different auctions where the different buyers decided not to leave the seller feedback, but for 4 or 5 different auctions of the same somewhat rare (only 300 supposedly produced) relic card suddenly selling over the course of just a month or two?!?! No way this wasn't some scam involving multiple parties, or at least people with multiple Ebay accounts. And that doesn't include the multiple other listings of the same card that didn't result in a sale, all again during this same time period. Prior to that sudden run of Ebay auctions for that particular card, a copy of it would pop up on Ebay maybe (and that's a big maybe) 2 or 3 times a year, at most. The volume of Ebay auctions for this particular card suddenly popping up was already extremely fishy to begin with.

There is actually one current listing of this same Wagner bat relic card sitting on Ebay now, at a $4,999 BIN or Best Offer price. And at that amount, sit it will. Despite there having supposedly been multiple sales of this same card, in this price range/vicinity, just back in May-June of this year.

Not all Ebay sales are the same, or necessarily real, it seems. Don't know for certain where this one with the Ruth premium stands.

[Jobu]

This feels very not real to me. There is a better one listed fright now for a BIN that is a lot less than this.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Jobu

This feels very not real to me. There is a better one listed fright now for a BIN that is a lot less than this.

But it's ungraded...and we know how some people are????

[raulus]

Originally Posted by BobC

Are you all sure this is a legit sale?

Not all Ebay sales are the same, or necessarily real, it seems. Don't know for certain where this one with the Ruth premium stands.

Thanks for the tutorial, BobC. I've got to learn to be more suspicious about these sorts of hijinks, shenanigans, and monkeyshines!

[BobC]

Originally Posted by raulus

Thanks for the tutorial, BobC. I've got to learn to be more suspicious about these sorts of hijinks, shenanigans, and monkeyshines!

Hey Nicolo,

I actually started laughing out loud as I saw one after another of these auctions rolling out on Ebay. Figured someone was trying to make it look like the market for those Wagner relic cards seriously jumped all of a sudden. Even reached out to the seller of the very first of these that supposedly sold and asked why he got no positive feedback. Sure enough, said the buyer never paid or ever responded back when he tried contacting them. Did say he had contacted one of the underbidders I believe, and was going to do a deal with one of them. Seemed like most everyone bidding on his auction also continued to show up bidding in several of the other auctions that popped up for this same card then. Got me thinking the first seller I communicated with may have been part of whatever this scam/ruse was as well, and responded to me as he did to make it seem he wasn't a party to it all.

[Carter08]

Seems very possible that it’s a fake result.

[tkd]

I like to look at bidder history especially if an item sells for significantly more than expected. The Ruth mentioned had multiple bidders up until $1500. From $1500 to $5600 only 2 bidders going back and forth. It is possible 2 people really wanted this, but I doubt it. To me this is suspicious

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by tkd

I like to look at bidder history especially if an item sells for significantly more than expected. The Ruth mentioned had multiple bidders up until $1500. From $1500 to $5600 only 2 bidders going back and forth. It is possible 2 people really wanted this, but I doubt it. To me this is suspicious

2 bidders is almost always suspicious with super high sale prices. I’m all for anonymity online when it comes to how you spend your money. But ebay needs to at minimum have some kind of counter where you can maybe see how many items a person has won in a certain time frame. And tell how many items a buyer has won from that specific seller. So if you see somebody has won 50 items in the last week and you then see it was all from the same seller, that should be getting checked out.
Obviously if you are say, building a set through Gm or whoever that is a different story.
I think this goes for all other auction houses too, not pointing fingers there just needs to be much more clarity. I always have a small thought in the back of my head wondering if I’m bidding against somebody who wants this item or a robot/shill.

[JMANOS]

I have a beautiful one listed for $1799 BIN for the last week?? ungraded


https://www.ebay.com/itm/134278966220

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Seems very possible that it’s a fake result.

+1 totally agree with you.

[Ben Yourg]

I've got one trimmed etc.I'll try to list it
on the N45 auction section,this weekend.
I'll have to find it.

[dmats33312]

Item relisted: https://www.ebay.com/itm/374309801702