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Old 10-10-2022, 04:15 PM
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Sorry, I don't believe that. Everyone knows a winning product is a valuable product. If an owner wanted to maximize profit they would build a winning team. It worked for the Patriots. It can work for any losing franchise.

But absent owners don't do that because they don't care about the team. They care about maximum profits on minimum budgets and that means operating as cheaply as possible and not really caring about a championship. Look at the Pirates. They've had grievances filed against them twice for not spending their revenue share money on their team. Every team also made 100 million dollars in TV contracts before even selling a ticket this year.

How a fan of a small market team can be both satisfied and wear that as a badge of honor is not something I'll ever understand.
Don't entirely disagree, but have you ever been involved with a sale of a business, any business? If a small market team owner generates losses from the business year after year, even if the result is a winning team, those recurring losses will normally drive the business' value down, not up. Do you know what EBITDA is and how most businesses are valued and sold using some multiple of that factor?

Also, I fully realize there is a revenue sharing aspect when it comes to TV/cable revenue, like with the MLB network. But there are also then local broadcast rights, and an even bigger exception to that revenue sharing concept as I understand it if the baseball team itself also owns a share/interest in the TV/cable network that handles a team's local broadcasting. For example, my understanding is the Red Sox own something like 80% of the company they have contracted with to provide local broadcasts of their games. So, if after receiving and accounting for the normal revenue they got for their local broadcast rights, let's say the company doing the broadcasting ended up making $100M for the year. That means the Red Sox have an additional $80M of revenue that doesn't get counted towards any revenue sharing, that they can potentially spend on players.

You are correct though in that ALL baseball teams are businesses, and the only thing that ALL of them have in common is that ALL any of the owners possibly truly care about is making money, first and foremost. The fact is that some teams, mostly all from the bigger market teams, end up getting so much more revenue than their smaller market brethren that those big market team owners can almost indiscriminately spend as much as they want to lure away the top talent in free agency. Those big market team owners don't really care so much about the fans either. They know they can outspend the other team owners, thereby having the winning bragging rights they can then lord over the other owners, AND still make a sh@tload of money doing it. And don't kid yourself, the bigger market team owners do want to win to not necessarily make the fans happy, but likely more so to keep the viewing numbers up so they can show those figures to advertisers, and charge them even more money.
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Old 10-10-2022, 06:33 PM
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Let’s be real. We’re not talking about a general store and we’re not talking about an owner just trying to keep the lights on. Every team has billions of dollars behind it. But not every owner wants to win.

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Old 10-10-2022, 08:07 PM
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Meanwhile, the Braves keep locking up their talent long-term...Strider today...

I don't know why they haven't gotten Dansby signed...starting to worry.

He's been Mr. Clutch lately.


...oh, I'm sorry...this was the wild card thread...oops. (snicker; chuckle)

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Old 10-10-2022, 08:08 PM
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Let’s be real. We’re not talking about a general store and we’re not talking about an owner just trying to keep the lights on. Every team has billions of dollars behind it. But not every owner wants to win.
Believe what you like, but when it comes to business, regardless of it being a general store or a baseball team, they do all tend to follow a similar pattern and treatment, whether you can admit that or not.
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Old 10-11-2022, 08:56 AM
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Believe what you like, but when it comes to business, regardless of it being a general store or a baseball team, they do all tend to follow a similar pattern and treatment, whether you can admit that or not.
You can see it playing out though. The A’s, Rays, Pirates and Marlins all had grievances filed against them for not reinvesting the revenue sharing money into their team. Those owners don’t want to win. It has nothing to do with market.

The Warriors were a dead franchise going nowhere. They have always played in the Bay Area. The same market as the A’s. Now the Warriors are NBA royalty and Steph Curry is one of the most recognizable faces in the NBA. How did that happen? They started winning in the same market they’ve always been in.

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Old 10-11-2022, 07:39 PM
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You can see it playing out though. The A’s, Rays, Pirates and Marlins all had grievances filed against them for not reinvesting the revenue sharing money into their team. Those owners don’t want to win. It has nothing to do with market.

The Warriors were a dead franchise going nowhere. They have always played in the Bay Area. The same market as the A’s. Now the Warriors are NBA royalty and Steph Curry is one of the most recognizable faces in the NBA. How did that happen? They started winning in the same market they’ve always been in.
In those cases where teams did not properly spend the money they were supposed to, I can see and agree with you on that. Still we don't really khow what the monies were spent on. Just assuming the owners pocketed it may, or may not, be accurate. It is also possible they were saving up to make offers to free agents that did not get accepted. Or they're pooling and saving the funds to make future offers and deals. Also, I know it isn't looked upon favorably, but occasionally sports teams will tank to get higher draft picks. Doesn't seem to be as prevalent in baseball, but who knows for sure if some team doesn't want to spend the money on better players right now so they can get that higher draft spot.

Truth is, we don't know for sure. There may be some team owners looking just for the cash, but by a team operating to win it usually makes the fans happier and more interested, which usually equates to more tickets sold and more viewers, which then generally equates to more revenue and profit, and ultimately more team value, to the owner. Some team owners may not be too worried and care much about the fans, but the bottom line is they'll usually try to win because it should lead to them making even more money when the fans are happy. So in essence, such owners probably do worry about making the fans happy, just maybe not for the reason(s) we'd like.
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Old 10-11-2022, 08:27 PM
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Also, just look at Judge & DeGrom, both will be free agents.

So technically all 30 teams have a shot at them right?

Wrong.......look at any article out there, or anyone in the know. They will have the top 5 or top 7 landing spots for them.

And it will be the same 5 or 7 teams. Maybe 1 different. You think Judge is signing with the Angels? or the A's? or the Pirates?

Not bloody likely.

Mr. Packs Man you are nutty if you think the playing field is level.

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Old 10-11-2022, 08:42 PM
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The same 5 teams you’re talking about are the teams trying to win. Again I really don’t understand what you’re suggesting when you say you root for a team who doesn’t want to win but are also upset when teams do want to win.

The Yankees have a good team because they want to win. Yankee fans go to the games because the team wins. They have high expectations season in and season out because the team has built a winning culture. Every fan should want to see an owner in the box and have a culture in the stands like ours.

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