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[packs]

Originally Posted by BobC

Believe what you like, but when it comes to business, regardless of it being a general store or a baseball team, they do all tend to follow a similar pattern and treatment, whether you can admit that or not.

You can see it playing out though. The A’s, Rays, Pirates and Marlins all had grievances filed against them for not reinvesting the revenue sharing money into their team. Those owners don’t want to win. It has nothing to do with market.

The Warriors were a dead franchise going nowhere. They have always played in the Bay Area. The same market as the A’s. Now the Warriors are NBA royalty and Steph Curry is one of the most recognizable faces in the NBA. How did that happen? They started winning in the same market they’ve always been in.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by packs

You can see it playing out though. The A’s, Rays, Pirates and Marlins all had grievances filed against them for not reinvesting the revenue sharing money into their team. Those owners don’t want to win. It has nothing to do with market.

The Warriors were a dead franchise going nowhere. They have always played in the Bay Area. The same market as the A’s. Now the Warriors are NBA royalty and Steph Curry is one of the most recognizable faces in the NBA. How did that happen? They started winning in the same market they’ve always been in.

In those cases where teams did not properly spend the money they were supposed to, I can see and agree with you on that. Still we don't really khow what the monies were spent on. Just assuming the owners pocketed it may, or may not, be accurate. It is also possible they were saving up to make offers to free agents that did not get accepted. Or they're pooling and saving the funds to make future offers and deals. Also, I know it isn't looked upon favorably, but occasionally sports teams will tank to get higher draft picks. Doesn't seem to be as prevalent in baseball, but who knows for sure if some team doesn't want to spend the money on better players right now so they can get that higher draft spot.

Truth is, we don't know for sure. There may be some team owners looking just for the cash, but by a team operating to win it usually makes the fans happier and more interested, which usually equates to more tickets sold and more viewers, which then generally equates to more revenue and profit, and ultimately more team value, to the owner. Some team owners may not be too worried and care much about the fans, but the bottom line is they'll usually try to win because it should lead to them making even more money when the fans are happy. So in essence, such owners probably do worry about making the fans happy, just maybe not for the reason(s) we'd like.

[Shoeless Moe]

Also, just look at Judge & DeGrom, both will be free agents.

So technically all 30 teams have a shot at them right?

Wrong.......look at any article out there, or anyone in the know. They will have the top 5 or top 7 landing spots for them.

And it will be the same 5 or 7 teams. Maybe 1 different. You think Judge is signing with the Angels? or the A's? or the Pirates?

Not bloody likely.

Mr. Packs Man you are nutty if you think the playing field is level.

[packs]

The same 5 teams you’re talking about are the teams trying to win. Again I really don’t understand what you’re suggesting when you say you root for a team who doesn’t want to win but are also upset when teams do want to win.

The Yankees have a good team because they want to win. Yankee fans go to the games because the team wins. They have high expectations season in and season out because the team has built a winning culture. Every fan should want to see an owner in the box and have a culture in the stands like ours.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Another thing to support my contention that closers shouldnt be in the HOF except maybe Mariano R is the fact the Dodgers dont even have a designated closer and Kimbrel not on the playoff roster and was terrible this year yet they still won 115 or so games.

good luck winning a championship without 2 good starting pitchers or winning 110 games.......any top number 2 pitcher could put up HOF closer numbers and now you see a closer isnt necessary to be a leading contender to win a World Series or to win 110 games etc....lots of guys can 'close' but there are only so many andy petites in the world and andy not in the HOF....

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by packs

The same 5 teams you’re talking about are the teams trying to win. Again I really don’t understand what you’re suggesting when you say you root for a team who doesn’t want to win but are also upset when teams do want to win.

The Yankees have a good team because they want to win. Yankee fans go to the games because the team wins. They have high expectations season in and season out because the team has built a winning culture. Every fan should want to see an owner in the box and have a culture in the stands like ours.

I have no idea what you are talking about. What teams don't want to win???

Even the Angels, they "want" to win, they just can't.

And I'm not a fan of one team spending 200 million and another team spending 83 million. It gives the one team a huge advantage, and when they spend that much and flop I love it, what's hard to understand about that?

And Yankees fans brag of this core 4, like that is some significant achievement,, many teams have 4-5-6-7-8-9-10 home grown guys on their teams. Core 4, who cares, even proves my point that much more.

You've got the core 4, and the other "bought" 21.

And your shitty management usually gets it wrong.

I find that humorous.....and enjoy when they lose to lesser payroll, better teams.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by packs

Every fan should want to see an owner in the box and have a culture in the stands like ours.

And as for culture.......please........they have 1 WS in the past 20 years.

Here's who also have "1" WS win in the past 20 years:

D-Backs
Angels
Marlins
White Sox
Cardinals
Phillies
Royals
Cubs
Astros
Nationals
Braves
Dodgers

2 WS:
Cardinals

3 WS:
Giants

4 WS:
Red Sox

ALL THESE TEAMS HAVE EQUALED NEW YORKS 1 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP, while half the league has 1 and some 2, some 3, some 4 times to the Yankees 1, and the Yankees have outspent these teams by the BILLIONS!!!!!!

That's some winning culture.

You're living in the past!!!!!!

[packs]

I don’t know how else to break it down for you. Yankee fans expect to win every year because that’s the culture of being a Yankee fan. I highly doubt Nationals fans go into every season with their eye on a title. Why would they? As soon as they did win their owners blew up the team. Why? No hunger for winning.

Ask an Angels fan if they think Artie Moreno wants to win.

[G1911]

Teams that win are teams that want to win and invest into winning.

The teams are not all playing on an even field. The Pirates cannot compete for free agents like the Yankees can, even if they wanted a World Series win with every fiber of their being. It's a hell of a lot easier for the rich teams to lift themselves up than the poor teams.