Hey, pennant guys

Fballguy · #1 10-06-2022, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

The seller got great money, but me? I would have ironed it prior to taking pictures.

He obviously attended Jonsstats' "Who gives a crap...here's a picture" sellers seminar.

Fballguy · #2 10-06-2022, 09:03 PM

Because body parts in pennant photos amuse me...

This looks like a crime scene photo. Suburban housewife finally has enough of her husband's excessive pennant expenditures. Her mistake? Doesn't mourn long enough before attempting to cash in.

ooo-ribay · #3 10-06-2022, 09:09 PM

Pretty, pretty cool, Greg! Even for�you know�

ooo-ribay · #4 10-07-2022, 10:01 AM

Who might have made these? The batter in the moon ball has been done for many teams. A different maker(?) later incorporated it in their pennants.

thetahat · #5 10-07-2022, 10:31 AM

I think it is the �mystery NY area company�. I gotta find the pic that someone (you?) posted at some sort of 1960s banquet, behind the podium hung a bunch of team pennants. The top on is definitely from that group, likely the others.

ooo-ribay · #6 10-07-2022, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat

I think it is the �mystery NY area company�. I gotta find the pic that someone (you?) posted at some sort of 1960s banquet, behind the podium hung a bunch of team pennants. The top on is definitely from that group, likely the others.

I was kind of thinking the bottom three would be a west coast maker because I�ve never really seen anything similar�

Domer05 · #7 10-07-2022, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Who might have made these? The batter in the moon ball has been done for many teams. A different maker(?) later incorporated it in their pennants.

Rob: Marc and I have been discussing these anomalies....

I'm pretty sure all four were made by Trench/IMPKO, around the time Tom Storm purchased IMPKO and their patented screen printing process. Each pennant represents a blend of Trench artwork + IMPKO's signature coloring; and all appear to have been made in the latter half of the 1960s, when the two companies became one.

As far as we know, these were only made for the SF Giants.

UKCardGuy · #8 10-08-2022, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

Rob: Marc and I have been discussing these anomalies....

I'm pretty sure all four were made by Trench/IMPKO, around the time Tom Storm purchased IMPKO and their patented screen printing process. Each pennant represents a blend of Trench artwork + IMPKO's signature coloring; and all appear to have been made in the latter half of the 1960s, when the two companies became one.

As far as we know, these were only made for the SF Giants.

Interesting. So if the ball moon artwork is Trench, that mean that the other "Batter and Moon" pennants for the Brooklyn Dodgers and the Phillies were by Trench too, right? What about the "Fielder and Moon" LA Dodgers?

ooo-ribay · #9 10-08-2022, 09:04 AM

Makes total sense, Kyle. Thanks for the info�.I�ll have to see if I can remember it.

I�ve never seen the fielder and the moon before. Interesting.

Domer05 · #10 10-08-2022, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Interesting. So if the ball moon artwork is Trench, that mean that the other "Batter and Moon" pennants for the Brooklyn Dodgers and the Phillies were by Trench too, right? What about the "Fielder and Moon" LA Dodgers?

Yep, I think both design series came from Trench. During the late 1950s, Trench was experimenting with a bunch of new production methods and artists, e.g., they made a few pennants without tassels in 1959; they switched to different woven cloth substitutes throughout the decade; and they employed cutting edge screen printing techniques. They even launched a premium line using flocked graphics that they quickly abandoned. The Storms were keen on modernizing the decades old company when they bought it in the late 1950s. Innovation was key to their success.

Some changes worked out. Some didn't.

Below, here's (1) the tassel-less stadium pennant featuring the LA Coliseum and known Trench batter artwork; (2) a second stadium pennant featuring an alternative depiction of the LA Coliseum by a new artist with same Trench batter and unique "Dodgers" script; (3) the fielder and moon pennant featuring same "Dodgers" script; and (4) a ca. 1960 photo of a vendor selling pennants #1-2 outside the LA Coliseum, with other known Trench pennants.

perezfan · #11 10-08-2022, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Interesting. So if the ball moon artwork is Trench, that mean that the other "Batter and Moon" pennants for the Brooklyn Dodgers and the Phillies were by Trench too, right? What about the "Fielder and Moon" LA Dodgers?

Here's a Yankees "Baseball Moon" version you don't often see....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/26592482653...Bk9SR8iRmo73YA

thetahat · #12 10-08-2022, 08:39 PM

I think that these pennants come from whoever made these, it includes the Phillies, pic is 1962-64 (corner of Colt 45s barely visible far right). I just have a tough time accepting these as Trench, given what they were known to make during that period.

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