Hey, pennant guys

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

That particular Raiders example is definitely misshapen and has something weird going on with the spine/stitching but I've seen other examples of it and think it's legit. They all have red spines for some reason, which is definitely odd.

This one would benefit greatly from a trim job on the nose and a gray spine and tassels. How does a tip get stretched that much without tearing?

The seller got great money, but me? I would have ironed it prior to taking pictures.

[thetahat]

Okay so maybe I haven’t been THAT inactive on eBay …

Two super-sized (5-1/2 feet long) 1969 ASCOs popped up. Similar composition to my others except these don’t have grommets. The seller claims these were hung with others at the ‘69 ASG in DC which was initially postponed by rain, causing the noticeable bleeding on the Dodgers spine. (1st pic is from the auction.) Who knows if true but there was a rain out. Maybe it was at an event or something. I’d love to know more about them.

Bleeding typically is, for me, a fatal flaw. I can cope better with missing tassels or tip. But I took a gamble that I could get it out. Turns out I had a metal yardstick that fit perfectly in the spine, so I made a 20/80 bleach/water solution and brushed it on it … it worked great with no spotting at all on the underneath blue. Bleeding all gone.

That makes 6 teams now and 18 to go. LOL. No shot. But Id love to get a super-sized Pilots if one still exists. I think I saw a Twins somewhere …

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Okay so maybe I haven’t been THAT inactive on eBay …

Two super-sized (5-1/2 feet long) 1969 ASCOs popped up. Similar composition to my others except these don’t have grommets. The seller claims these were hung with others at the ‘69 ASG in DC which was initially postponed by rain, causing the noticeable bleeding on the Dodgers spine. (1st pic is from the auction.) Who knows if true but there was a rain out. Maybe it was at an event or something. I’d love to know more about them.

Bleeding typically is, for me, a fatal flaw. I can cope better with missing tassels or tip. But I took a gamble that I could get it out. Turns out I had a metal yardstick that fit perfectly in the spine, so I made a 20/80 bleach/water solution and brushed it on it … it worked great with no spotting at all on the underneath blue. Bleeding all gone.

That makes 6 teams now and 18 to go. LOL. No shot. But Id love to get a super-sized Pilots if one still exists. I think I saw a Twins somewhere …

Wow. Love those pennants Greg.

[UKCardGuy]

I don't have this in hand yet...waiting for delivery. But I couldn't believe my luck when I came across this 1936 Yankees Grommet Pennant and managed to win it.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I don't have this in hand yet...waiting for delivery. But I couldn't believe my luck when I came across this 1936 Yankees Grommet Pennant and managed to win it.

FANTASTIC pennant with great colors. Congrats!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I don't have this in hand yet...waiting for delivery. But I couldn't believe my luck when I came across this 1936 Yankees Grommet Pennant and managed to win it.

Dayum! I'm adding you to the "Heavy Hitters" of this thread.

[MK]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I don't have this in hand yet...waiting for delivery. But I couldn't believe my luck when I came across this 1936 Yankees Grommet Pennant and managed to win it.

Absolutely gorgeous. Fantastic pickup Gary.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I don't have this in hand yet...waiting for delivery. But I couldn't believe my luck when I came across this 1936 Yankees Grommet Pennant and managed to win it.

That’s a great pennant. I bid against Mark on the one he has. Nice pick up and obviously I’m jealous.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Not sure if anyone got in on the player photo pennants that Troy had in the last Mears auction. Some incredibly rare player pennants including Mantle and Banks. Brought good money, but if your waiting for the next ones you may be waiting for a long time.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Not sure if anyone got in on the player photo pennants that Troy had in the last Mears auction. Some incredibly rare player pennants including Mantle and Banks. Brought good money, but if your waiting for the next ones you may be waiting for a long time.

Those were so cool. Didn’t know that so many were even made, though it was just a Twins thing and maybe star players. Big fan here of ASCO pennants.

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Not sure if anyone got in on the player photo pennants that Troy had in the last Mears auction. Some incredibly rare player pennants including Mantle and Banks. Brought good money, but if your waiting for the next ones you may be waiting for a long time.

Jason, I grabbed the Koufax, couldn't let it get away as I have only seen 1 other one, and that was several years ago. After getting that one, I decided to buy the Drysdale that popped up on eBay today. Both have moth-eaten spines, but the colors are strong (although the Drysdale has paint cracks). I don't see any pin holes and it looks like they were just sitting in drawers for 60 years.

Rick

1962 Koufax photo reduced 50.jpg
1962 Drysdale photo reduced.jpg

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

That’s a great pennant. I bid against Mark on the one he has. Nice pick up and obviously I’m jealous.

Thanks Jason. Which auction was it that you and Mark bid at? I'm trying to get a benchmark of how often the grommet pennants come up for sale.

[Duluth Eskimo]

It was eBay I believe and they don’t really come up for sale.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

The seller got great money, but me? I would have ironed it prior to taking pictures.

He obviously attended Jonsstats' "Who gives a crap...here's a picture" sellers seminar.

[Fballguy]

Because body parts in pennant photos amuse me...

This looks like a crime scene photo. Suburban housewife finally has enough of her husband's excessive pennant expenditures. Her mistake? Doesn't mourn long enough before attempting to cash in.

[ooo-ribay]

Pretty, pretty cool, Greg! Even for…you know…

[ooo-ribay]

Who might have made these? The batter in the moon ball has been done for many teams. A different maker(?) later incorporated it in their pennants.

[thetahat]

I think it is the “mystery NY area company”. I gotta find the pic that someone (you?) posted at some sort of 1960s banquet, behind the podium hung a bunch of team pennants. The top on is definitely from that group, likely the others.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I think it is the “mystery NY area company”. I gotta find the pic that someone (you?) posted at some sort of 1960s banquet, behind the podium hung a bunch of team pennants. The top on is definitely from that group, likely the others.

I was kind of thinking the bottom three would be a west coast maker because I’ve never really seen anything similar…

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Who might have made these? The batter in the moon ball has been done for many teams. A different maker(?) later incorporated it in their pennants.

Rob: Marc and I have been discussing these anomalies....

I'm pretty sure all four were made by Trench/IMPKO, around the time Tom Storm purchased IMPKO and their patented screen printing process. Each pennant represents a blend of Trench artwork + IMPKO's signature coloring; and all appear to have been made in the latter half of the 1960s, when the two companies became one.

As far as we know, these were only made for the SF Giants.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Rob: Marc and I have been discussing these anomalies....

I'm pretty sure all four were made by Trench/IMPKO, around the time Tom Storm purchased IMPKO and their patented screen printing process. Each pennant represents a blend of Trench artwork + IMPKO's signature coloring; and all appear to have been made in the latter half of the 1960s, when the two companies became one.

As far as we know, these were only made for the SF Giants.

Interesting. So if the ball moon artwork is Trench, that mean that the other "Batter and Moon" pennants for the Brooklyn Dodgers and the Phillies were by Trench too, right? What about the "Fielder and Moon" LA Dodgers?

[ooo-ribay]

Makes total sense, Kyle. Thanks for the info….I’ll have to see if I can remember it.

I’ve never seen the fielder and the moon before. Interesting.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Interesting. So if the ball moon artwork is Trench, that mean that the other "Batter and Moon" pennants for the Brooklyn Dodgers and the Phillies were by Trench too, right? What about the "Fielder and Moon" LA Dodgers?

Yep, I think both design series came from Trench. During the late 1950s, Trench was experimenting with a bunch of new production methods and artists, e.g., they made a few pennants without tassels in 1959; they switched to different woven cloth substitutes throughout the decade; and they employed cutting edge screen printing techniques. They even launched a premium line using flocked graphics that they quickly abandoned. The Storms were keen on modernizing the decades old company when they bought it in the late 1950s. Innovation was key to their success.

Some changes worked out. Some didn't.

Below, here's (1) the tassel-less stadium pennant featuring the LA Coliseum and known Trench batter artwork; (2) a second stadium pennant featuring an alternative depiction of the LA Coliseum by a new artist with same Trench batter and unique "Dodgers" script; (3) the fielder and moon pennant featuring same "Dodgers" script; and (4) a ca. 1960 photo of a vendor selling pennants #1-2 outside the LA Coliseum, with other known Trench pennants.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Interesting. So if the ball moon artwork is Trench, that mean that the other "Batter and Moon" pennants for the Brooklyn Dodgers and the Phillies were by Trench too, right? What about the "Fielder and Moon" LA Dodgers?

Here's a Yankees "Baseball Moon" version you don't often see....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/26592482653...Bk9SR8iRmo73YA