Wainwright in the hall?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

I’m just looking at Adam Wainwright and he’s a very close comp for Roy Halladay. It seems like he should be in or very close if the hall considers Halladay a Hofer. Thoughts?

Hall of very good IMO.

[packs]

Don't think he has the resume of Halladay (2 Cy Youngs, perfect game, playoff no hitter). I think of him like Tim Hudson. A very good pitcher in a tough time to be one. But not elite.

[cgjackson222]

Wainwright was never dominant enough and his career stats are not particularly impressive. If he retires after this year, it is unlikely he will even get to 200 wins. A career WAR of 47.1 is just not good enough.

There are so many pitchers with career WARs in the 60s that have been passed by the Hall of Fame (for now): Cone, Tiant Rueschel, Kevin Brown. I don't think anyone with a career WAR in the 40s is going to get in any time soon.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Wainwright was never dominant enough and his career stats are not particularly impressive. If he retires after this year, it is unlikely he will even get to 200 wins. A career WAR of 47.1 is just not good enough.

There are so many pitchers with career WARs in the 60s that have been passed by the Hall of Fame (for now): Cone, Tiant Rueschel, Kevin Brown. I don't think anyone with a career WAR in the 40s is going to get in any time soon.

Jack Morris just got in with a WAR of 43.5. 195 wins, a much better ERA than Morris and a big part of the Cards success through the years. Very unlikely by the writers, but a pretty typical Veterans selection.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by rats60

Jack Morris just got in with a WAR of 43.5. 195 wins, a much better ERA than Morris and a big part of the Cards success through the years. Very unlikely by the writers, but a pretty typical Veterans selection.

Jack Morris, along with a good chunk of the Veterans Committee selections, do not belong in the Hall of Fame. At this point, we've jumped the shark however, so it would not surprise me if Waino ended up in the Hall.

Baines, Maranville, Mazeroski, Rick Ferrell, Joe Gordon, plus all of the friends of Frankie Frisch that he pushed through once he started to head the Committee in 1967.

[packs]

Jack Morris at least had his winningest pitcher of the 80s claim (up to the individual how important wins are). I don’t think Wainwright has a similar legend.

[BCauley]

While he's had an excellent career, I'd say no to the HoF for him.

With that said, I anticipate that in the not too distant future, if it hasn't already started, there is going to be a shift in how starting pitchers are evaluated for the HoF. They are certainly used a lot more differently than they were even 10-20 years ago.

[D. Bergin]

Yeah, I don’t see the comparison. A nearly 20 point difference in WAR + 2 Cy Young’s and 7 top 5 finishes for Halladay.

Wainwright very good, but I don’t think comparing him to Halladay is the code cracker for him.

[ALR-bishop]

Agree with above, and maybe not Molins either but what wonderful careers together and all with the same team.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Agree with above, and maybe not Molins either but what wonderful careers together and all with the same team.

Wow, negative against Molina? In my book I agree with statements on Waino. But I'd hope Yadi gets in - although he might not be first ballot. I'm looking at him on Jaws, and he is one of the top of this generation, with a resume a bit better than Buster Posey. He (42 WAR) and Posey (44 WAR) are very close in WAR. I know a lot of catchers don't make the HOF, but this would be a shame. Jorge Posada is comparable to both, but he was never better than Piazza or Ivan Rodriguez.

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[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by todeen

Wow, negative against Molina? In my book I agree with statements on Waino. But I'd hope Yadi gets in - although he might not be first ballot. I'm looking at him on Jaws, and he is one of the top of this generation, with a resume a bit better than Buster Posey. He (42 WAR) and Posey (44 WAR) are very close in WAR. I know a lot of catchers don't make the HOF, but this would be a shame. Jorge Posada is comparable to both, but he was never better than Piazza or Ivan Rodriguez.

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Love Posada. Under-rated offensively as a catcher. 5 Silver Sluggers at his position. Unfortunately, not a great reputation defensively...though he wasn't horrible. Just kind of mediocre. He was great at handling pitching staffs, even if he didn't have the greatest arm to gun down base runners.

Not a HOF'er...but as borderline as a catcher can get IMO.

[packs]

Posada's situation has always bothered me. He was a really great offensive catcher. He's 9th in career home runs at the position. He played at a time when only Pudge and Piazza were better than him (two players who had cheating rumors follow them during their careers).

It's a crime he was one and done on the ballot. I don't know that he was a HOFer but he was a lot better than 99.9% of all one and done players and deserved more respect.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Yeah, I don’t see the comparison. A nearly 20 point difference in WAR + 2 Cy Young’s and 7 top 5 finishes for Halladay.

Wainwright very good, but I don’t think comparing him to Halladay is the code cracker for him.

Well said and agree not in the HOF

[Jim65]

Do I think Wainwright is a HOFer? No

Do I think he will get in, eventually? Yes.