OT: The Trevor Bauer Case

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

This is a bad cat period

And not in a good way! I'm amazed that anyone is still trying to defend him or his actions.The guy is clearly unhinged.

[G1911]

A bad cat should not be held guilty of rape and abuse, in court or by society and reasonable people, if he did not commit in fact commit rape or abuse. One may dislike or hate someone for any or no reason, but we should not let our opinion of a person conflate with what they have actually done. This woman's case fell apart by the evidence contradicting her story. To say that he is not guilty of the crime is not to say he is perfect or great or good, it is to acknowledge the evidence. I think it will be a sad day when we as a people no longer discern guilt from innocence for people we simply don't like. We are well on that path.

[irv]

I haven't followed this case at all but if you were just physically abused and raped, would you not try to flee, especially since it appears your accuser is sound asleep?

https://twitter.com/just_krissy19/st...unterclaims%2F

[Chris-Counts]

Originally Posted by G1911

A bad cat should not be held guilty of rape and abuse, in court or by society and reasonable people, if he did not commit in fact commit rape or abuse. One may dislike or hate someone for any or no reason, but we should not let our opinion of a person conflate with what they have actually done. This woman's case fell apart by the evidence contradicting her story. To say that he is not guilty of the crime is not to say he is perfect or great or good, it is to acknowledge the evidence. I think it will be a sad day when we as a people no longer discern guilt from innocence for people we simply don't like. We are well on that path.

Well said. I worry about the loss of due process and the presumption of innocence in a world that's so quick condemn. I'm amazed at how often I hear someone spout off about how so-and-so is guilty of this or that — without offering a stitch of evidence.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

Well said. I worry about the loss of due process and the presumption of innocence in a world that's so quick condemn. I'm amazed at how often I hear someone spout off about how so-and-so is guilty of this or that — without offering a stitch of evidence.

There's plenty of evidence that Bauer beats up women and has been a misogynistic, harassing troll on social media (with a legion of incel fanboys) for years. That's the opposite of "quick to condemn"

[G1911]

Can anyone link or source any evidence he is guilty of violent abuse and/or rape? I can't find any. Just a claim, that was contradictory to the evidence, and got thrown out. I don't know much about Bauer before this case got attention outside of the baseball world, I don't watch much anymore. I am neither for nor against him. But claims of criminality should require evidence; the standard of western justice and thought for centuries.

[BobC]

Great, let's see the evidence since there is plenty of it.

[campyfan39]

Nose rings, eyebrow, lip or tongue piercing is an automatic turnoff IMO.

With respect, some of you are naive in regards to how common this kind of mess goes on. In my line of work I have counseled numerous women who have low self esteem and self worth and who actually cannot orgasm without violent sexual acts. People act like this is some kind of anomaly but sadly it is getting more and more common in part because of porn and extreme cultural trends. I believe based on her contradictions that Bauer is a weird guy and should know better given his position, but this was consensual.