1952 Rosen Mantle SGC 9.5 Final Price – Too high, too low, just right?

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I am not shocked there are 5 1952 Topps coming I am shocked they did not get 14 of them.

You guys are acting like Matty "got unhinged" from just a mention of some facts, but I think it's the tone that bothered him. I've seen quotes like this above (another was something like expressing "that second year double print" as a pejorative), and they probably come off like someone taking a shot at the desirability of his favorite card.

Not saying that it merits an emotional reaction. Just that there's a little more to it than simply someone getting upset from unfavorable facts.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

You guys are acting like Matty "got unhinged" from just a mention of some facts, but I think it's the tone that bothered him. I've seen quotes like this above (another was something like expressing "that second year double print" as a pejorative), and they probably come off like someone taking a shot at the desirability of his favorite card.

Not saying that it merits an emotional reaction. Just that there's a little more to it than simply someone getting upset from unfavorable facts.

Exactly

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

You guys are acting like Matty "got unhinged" from just a mention of some facts, but I think it's the tone that bothered him. I've seen quotes like this above (another was something like expressing "that second year double print" as a pejorative), and they probably come off like someone taking a shot at the desirability of his favorite card.

Not saying that it merits an emotional reaction. Just that there's a little more to it than simply someone getting upset from unfavorable facts.

Well you too might be a tad sensitive because your interpretation is reaching. We all know that once something sells for big money, examples flood to the market. THAT is what was meant. Not some hidden attempt to insult or get a rise out of anyone.

And please recall that any factual comments I made that upset people were written having already said or shortly thereafter stated the 52 Mantle is an awesome card and one that I too own.

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Well you too might be a tad sensitive because your interpretation is reaching. We all know that once something sells for big money, examples flood to the market. THAT is what was meant. Not some hidden attempt to insult or get a rise out of anyone.

And please recall that any factual comments I made that upset people were written having already said or shortly thereafter stated the 52 Mantle is an awesome card and one that I too own.

As mentioned, it doesn't merit a reaction. And I never said that you meant to get a rise. Just that the occasional perceived pejorative tone might get one regardless from someone as emotional as Matty. Surely you can see how a "surprised there aren't fourteen of them instead of five" quip comes off as having some disdain, rather than just a basic mention of facts. That's not me reaching or too being a bit sensitive; I don't mind what anyone says about the Mantle. It's just noticing something that's fairly obvious

[G1911]

The discussion of the volume up for sale (do we need to pretend there aren’t a ton up for sale to smooth peoples feelings?) occurred days after the freak out. Nobody did anything more than not participate in the pump and observe things that are demonstrably true (the toning, the back centering, it’s not a rookie, it is a DP, it has a lot of copies out there). He accused people of “bile” and doing things that no reading can possibly produce, like attacking Mickey Mantle (I’m happy to stand correct if anyone can find this post). Then he flipped out when asked to ID these posts he exaggerated to attack.

I do not see any rule or reasonable reason that people may not or should not post factually correct statements about a card that does not serve the interest of pumping and juicing it. People’s emotional response to not everything in the world adopting their exact perspective, while hardly even being negative about the 52 Mantle at all, only the grade of this particular one in comparison to SGC’s public and published standards, is on them.

Disclaimer again: Mickey Mantle is great. The 1952 Topps set is great. The 1952 Topps Mickey is a cool image and a great card

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

As mentioned, it doesn't merit a reaction. And I never said that you meant to get a rise. Just that the occasional perceived pejorative tone might get one regardless from someone as emotional as Matty. Surely you can see how a "surprised there aren't fourteen of them instead of five" quip comes off as having some disdain, rather than just a basic mention of facts. That's not me reaching or too being a bit sensitive; I don't mind what anyone says about the Mantle. It's just noticing something that's fairly obvious

I cannot control how you or anyone else feels or reacts/responds to things I might post here. I know what my intent was. Clearly you do not want to accept that so you are essentially telling me that I am a liar, which is fine. If someone wants to get emotional over a post, which is a bit irrational, then so be it. I guess that is their...choice but they should be prepared then for whatever comes next.

And to I never even thought my "quip" would have been interpreted any other way than the way it was intended. I honestly felt that we would see an onslaught of listings on eBay and elsewhere of people trying to cash in on the 52 Mantle fervor. It has taken place with the T206 Wagner, signed 33 Goudey Ruths and Gehrigs (some of which may have been signed in the last 2 years) and there are others.

As an aside, maybe the time has come where we should all consider having complete disclaimers at the end of actual posts on "controversial" topics. Might cool some tempers.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I cannot control how you or anyone else feels or reacts/responds to things I might post here. I know what my intent was. Clearly you do not want to accept that so you are essentially telling me that I am a liar, which is fine. If someone wants to get emotional over a post, which is a bit irrational, then so be it. I guess that is their...choice but they should be prepared then for whatever comes next.

And to I never even thought my "quip" would have been interpreted any other way than the way it was intended. I honestly felt that we would see an onslaught of listings on eBay and elsewhere of people trying to cash in on the 52 Mantle fervor. It has taken place with the T206 Wagner, signed 33 Goudey Ruths and Gehrigs (some of which may have been signed in the last 2 years) and there are others.

As an aside, maybe the time has come where we should all consider having complete disclaimers at the end of actual posts on "controversial" topics. Might cool some tempers.

These posts have accused people of becoming unhinged, called others absurd, and accused other people of pumping a card. Tone the rhetoric down and there would probably be less of an issue. Or don’t tone it down because that is your right but then understand why some people think those posts are a bit much.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Carter08

These posts have accused people of becoming unhinged, called others absurd, and accused other people of pumping a card. Tone the rhetoric down and there would probably be less of an issue. Or don’t tone it down because that is your right but then understand why some people think those posts are a bit much.

You can go back and verify the sequence of posts and who wrote what. It would be a good idea because you might want to check the accuracy of your current position.

Nobody here accused anyone of coming unhinged until...someone did come unhinged. Until then it was a discussion based on facts about the card that a certain person took offense to. I am perplexed how he could even take it personally let alone that personal.

Anyway, I will assume you are one of the guys who contacted Leon to complain so I am curious why you want to try to mix it up with me.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

You can go back and verify the sequence of posts and who wrote what. It would be a good idea because you might want to check the accuracy of your current position.

Nobody here accused anyone of coming unhinged until...someone did come unhinged. Until then it was a discussion based on facts about the card that a certain person took offense to. I am perplexed how he could even take it personally let alone that personal.

Anyway, I will assume you are one of the guys who contacted Leon to complain so I am curious why you want to try to mix it up with me.

I did not complain for the record.