ROGER MARIS vs AARON JUDGE

[G1911]

Maris would be elected basically entirely on the strength of his home run hitting. Of which he has 275. We would need to elect a couple hundred more guys before it's watered down this far.

Hack Wilson was a mistake and his closest comparison in the Hall.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Maris would be elected basically entirely on the strength of his home run hitting. Of which he has 275. We would need to elect a couple hundred more guys before it's watered down this far.

Hack Wilson was a mistake and his closest comparison in the Hall.

He should not even be mentioned in a HOF discussion, really. Not to take away from the record or his other few nice years.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by G1911

Maris would be elected basically entirely on the strength of his home run hitting. Of which he has 275. We would need to elect a couple hundred more guys before it's watered down this far.

Hack Wilson was a mistake and his closest comparison in the Hall.

Hack Wilson hit . 307/.395/.545 OPS+ 144
Roger Maris hit . 260/.345/.476 OPS+ 127

The comparison isn't close other than they each played only 12 seasons.

[packs]

There are similarities between their careers. I brought up Wilson because I don't think he's in the HOF without his monster record setting season. I would put Maris in for the same reason.

I don't think either had the career that would otherwise make them candidates. But one did get enshrined.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

There are similarities between their careers. I brought up Wilson because I don't think he's in the HOF without his monster record setting season. I would put Maris in for the same reason.

I don't think either had the career that would otherwise make them candidates. But one did get enshrined.

Would you put Denny McLain in?

[packs]

No. 30 wins is a definite accomplishment but it's not 61 home runs.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The 10 year minimum clearly shows the intent of the Hall is to honor careers. I can't see putting someone in for one year no matter how remarkable.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I can't see putting someone in for one year no matter how remarkable.

Roger Maris was a 2x MVP though. Only a small minority of HOFers can make that claim. Plus he set a MLB record that stood for 61 years. Of course it was only for home runs but still....

Originally Posted by Seven

Makes you feel bad for Roger Maris, the more you learn about his story. His hair was falling out from the stress of the record, plus the fact that most people wanted Mantle to break it rather than him. The press hounded him, people bothered his family.

That plus the fact that his home team fans were cheering against him when he set his record. Those are Yankee fans for you but being derided for excellence by your own team's fans would have been tough on any player.

The bottom line though is that it's the Baseball Hall of Fame and Maris is still more famous than most of the inductees. And he fits the current meaning of the word "famous".

[packs]

I guess I'm looking at it like this. To throw another guy's name out there; I think if Babe Herman got a few extra hits and ends up hitting 400 in 1930 instead of 393, he's a HOFer today too.

Lefty O'Doul as well in 1929. Two percentage points from immortality, at least in my opinion.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I guess I'm looking at it like this. To throw another guy's name out there; I think if Babe Herman got a few extra hits and ends up hitting 400 in 1930 instead of 393, he's a HOFer today too.

Lefty O'Doul as well in 1929. Two percentage points from immortality, at least in my opinion.

At 25, 38 and 39 WAR, I am just not seeing it.