ROGER MARIS vs AARON JUDGE

[packs]

There are similarities between their careers. I brought up Wilson because I don't think he's in the HOF without his monster record setting season. I would put Maris in for the same reason.

I don't think either had the career that would otherwise make them candidates. But one did get enshrined.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

There are similarities between their careers. I brought up Wilson because I don't think he's in the HOF without his monster record setting season. I would put Maris in for the same reason.

I don't think either had the career that would otherwise make them candidates. But one did get enshrined.

Would you put Denny McLain in?

[packs]

No. 30 wins is a definite accomplishment but it's not 61 home runs.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The 10 year minimum clearly shows the intent of the Hall is to honor careers. I can't see putting someone in for one year no matter how remarkable.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I can't see putting someone in for one year no matter how remarkable.

Roger Maris was a 2x MVP though. Only a small minority of HOFers can make that claim. Plus he set a MLB record that stood for 61 years. Of course it was only for home runs but still....

Originally Posted by Seven

Makes you feel bad for Roger Maris, the more you learn about his story. His hair was falling out from the stress of the record, plus the fact that most people wanted Mantle to break it rather than him. The press hounded him, people bothered his family.

That plus the fact that his home team fans were cheering against him when he set his record. Those are Yankee fans for you but being derided for excellence by your own team's fans would have been tough on any player.

The bottom line though is that it's the Baseball Hall of Fame and Maris is still more famous than most of the inductees. And he fits the current meaning of the word "famous".

[gonefishin]

Hey, I thought for a long time that I was the only person that's always thought that Roger Maris should be in the Hall of Fame. Glad to see that I'm not the only one!

The reality is - if not by now he will never be in the Hall.

However, I've always-always-always been a Maris fan. Attached are a couple of items that are pretty rare, maybe other fans of Maris will appreciate. Those that are not Maris fans, maybe you can appreciate the items: (1) Minor League scorecard from April 25, 1956, Indianapolis Indians vs St. Paul Saints. (2) Autographed 1957 Sohio Indians photo album. (3) Roger Maris debut game scorecard April 16 1957.

[Volod]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

...That plus the fact that his home team fans were cheering against him when he set his record. Those are Yankee fans for you but being derided for excellence by your own team's fans would have been tough on any player. The bottom line though is that it's the Baseball Hall of Fame and Maris is still more famous than most of the inductees. And he fits the current meaning of the word "famous".

I can't see putting someone in for one year no matter how remarkable.

Maybe it's "apples to oranges," but Ed Barrow was elected to the HOF for having one great season - 1919, when he sold Ruth to the Yankees.

[packs]

I guess I'm looking at it like this. To throw another guy's name out there; I think if Babe Herman got a few extra hits and ends up hitting 400 in 1930 instead of 393, he's a HOFer today too.

Lefty O'Doul as well in 1929. Two percentage points from immortality, at least in my opinion.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I guess I'm looking at it like this. To throw another guy's name out there; I think if Babe Herman got a few extra hits and ends up hitting 400 in 1930 instead of 393, he's a HOFer today too.

Lefty O'Doul as well in 1929. Two percentage points from immortality, at least in my opinion.

At 25, 38 and 39 WAR, I am just not seeing it.

[packs]

The only player to hit 400 after 1900 and not be elected to the HOF is Joe Jackson.

If either player hit 400 I think the ticket was punched. It's that big of an accomplishment in the game.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

The only player to hit 400 after 1900 and not be elected to the HOF is Joe Jackson.

If either player hit 400 I think the ticket was punched. It's that big of an accomplishment in the game.

How many pitchers have won 30 since 1933?

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by packs

The only player to hit 400 after 1900 and not be elected to the HOF is Joe Jackson.

If either player hit 400 I think the ticket was punched. It's that big of an accomplishment in the game.

Artie Wilson hit .435 for the Birmingham Black Barons in 1948. Here he is in San Diego in the early 1950s



O'Doul fell two hits short. D'oh!