Biggest MVP snubs ever

[packs]

Oh yeah.

Mattingly was royally screwed out of his back to back MVPs in 1986 by Roger Clemens. Clemens had a good year, he won 24 games and led the AL in ERA and WHIP, but Mattingly was a beast. Nobody in the league went to bat more than he did in 1986 and he led the league in hits, doubles, slugging, OPS, OPS+ and total bases while hitting 352 with 31 homers and 113 RBI's.

His 1986 season was even better than his 1985 season and he still lost out to Roger Clemens, who was actually outpitched by 2nd place Cy Young vote getter Teddy Higuera (9.4 WAR for Higuera to lead the league vs 8.8 for Clemens).

Higuera finished 15th in the MVP vote despite being the better pitcher and losing the Cy Young too.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

Oh yeah.

Mattingly was royally screwed out of his back to back MVPs in 1986 by Roger Clemens. Clemens had a good year, he won 24 games and led the AL in ERA and WHIP, but Mattingly was a beast. Nobody in the league went to bat more than he did in 1986 and he led the league in hits, doubles, slugging, OPS, OPS+ and total bases while hitting 352 with 31 homers and 113 RBI's.

His 1986 season was even better than his 1985 season and he still lost out to Roger Clemens, who was actually outpitched by 2nd place Cy Young vote getter Teddy Higuera (9.4 WAR for Higuera to lead the league vs 8.8 for Clemens).

Higuera finished 15th in the MVP vote despite being the better pitcher and losing the Cy Young too.

If you're using WAR to knock Clemens, Clemens was 2nd in WAR and Mattingly was 5th that year. Doesn't seem like a robbery to me.

[packs]

I used WAR to point out Clemens wasn't the best pitcher in the league but he won not only the Cy Young but also the MVP.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

I used WAR to point out Clemens wasn't the best pitcher in the league but he won not only the Cy Young but also the MVP.

See the contradiction? I’d say Clemens was the best pitcher in the league that year. If we treat WAR as the arbiter, as you are here, then Mattingly doesn’t deserve the MVP either and Clemens was a better choice than him. By your standard here Higuera was robbed, not Mattingly who was 5th.

[G1911]

They did not like to do repeat winners in the early days, though Gehrig did end up getting a second. This is a big part of why guys like him and Ruth didn’t win every year. The approach was very different in the early 30’s and I think that should not be forgotten.

[packs]

Originally Posted by G1911

See the contradiction? I’d say Clemens was the best pitcher in the league that year. If we treat WAR as the arbiter, as you are here, then Mattingly doesn’t deserve the MVP either and Clemens was a better choice than him. By your standard here Higuera was robbed, not Mattingly who was 5th.

Uh no. When I compared Higuera to Clemens it was pitcher to pitcher. I don’t believe a pitcher should ever win MVP unless he does something incredible, which I don’t think Clemens did.

It’s also my opinion and I posted what I thought because it’s what I think. It’s not always an invitation for you to give your opinion on my own.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

Uh no. When I compared Higuera to Clemens it was pitcher to pitcher. I don’t believe a pitcher should ever win MVP unless he does something incredible, which I don’t think Clemens did.

It’s also my opinion and I posted what I thought because it’s what I think. It’s not always an invitation for you to give your opinion on my own.

So WAR is to compare and rank only pitchers. Makes sense.

Sir, I do not think you understand how a message board works.

[packs]

I compared two pitchers because they were both up for the Cy Young.

I don’t think you understand my opinions don’t need to pass your smell test. You aren’t the arbiter of anything, to use your phrasing.

[rats60]

George Brett in 1985.

Brett . 335/.436/.585 OPS + 179
Mattingly .324/.371/.567 OPS + 156

Brett led his team to a 1st place finish. Brett also played a premium position on defense, providing positive value and winning a gold glove. Mattingly wasn't even the best player on the 2nd place Yankees. He drove in 145 runs because Rickey Henderson was always in scoring position ahead of him, .419 OBP 80 SB and 146 runs. Wade Boggs also had a better season and should have finished ahead of Mattingly.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Arod losing to Juan Gonzalez in 1996? Hornsby losing to Dazzy Vance the year he hit .424?

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by rats60

George Brett in 1985.

Brett . 335/.436/.585 OPS + 179
Mattingly .324/.371/.567 OPS + 156

Brett led his team to a 1st place finish. Brett also played a premium position on defense, providing positive value and winning a gold glove. Mattingly wasn't even the best player on the 2nd place Yankees. He drove in 145 runs because Rickey Henderson was always in scoring position ahead of him, .419 OBP 80 SB and 146 runs. Wade Boggs also had a better season and should have finished ahead of Mattingly.

There are many great examples but I tend to agree that George Brett was the most deserving that Mattingly That Year

HOWEVER, I think that Ricky Henderson was more deserving that year.
He had .314/.419/.516 but he had 24 Home Runs, 72 RBI's, 146 Runs 80 Stolen Bases
But Brett and Donnie both put up great years so it is hard to argue with any of them

[Shoeless Moe]

Gehrig not getting it in 1934 has to be the worst ever.

He won the Triple Crown.....and finished 5th in voting!

Maybe he wasn't the nice guy we all thought he was.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/a...rds_1934.shtml

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Gehrig not getting it in 1934 has to be the worst ever.

He won the Triple Crown.....and finished 5th in voting!

Maybe he wasn't the nice guy we all thought he was.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/a...rds_1934.shtml

Yeah, that's atrocious. I think it's crazy that 3 guys on Detroit finished ahead of him (Cochrane won it, Gehringer, and Schoolboy Rowe), and he didn't even come in first on his own team (Lefty Gomez did). Gehrig slugged an insane .706 and his war was 10.1

I think back in the day, they really favored catchers like Cochrane for MVP. I mean Yogi Berra and Roy Campanella each winning 3? They were great players, but not always the best out there.