Gun ownership poll

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I'm not proposing any bans, and I am an ardent 2A supporter. However, there is a reason guns like the AR-15 are often the weapon of choice for deranged mass murderers: the great damage done to human flesh when hit by a bullet fired from one. Many Americans have no idea the carnage that responders saw in the Uvalde or Sandy Hook classrooms.

To pretend all guns are the same, or to pretend that a frying pan is the same as an AR-15, is tantamount to refusing to have a debate.

They are used because they look scary. They actually use little baby 223 ammo. That is the smallest caliber you can legally shoot a deer with where I live and larger more powerful cartriges are recommended for hunting.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by bnorth

They are used because they look scary. They actually use little baby 223 ammo. That is the smallest caliber you can legally shoot a deer with where I live and larger more powerful cartriges are recommended for hunting.

Some people might buy one because of the look, sure. School shooters want them because of the damage they do with that "little baby" ammo.

But don't take my word for these things:

From a Trauma Center Radiologist

From the FBI

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Some people might buy one because of the look, sure. School shooters want them because of the damage they do with that "little baby" ammo.

But don't take my word for these things:

From a Trauma Center Radiologist

From the FBI

I don't want to get shot with a BB gun but 223s are baby ammo for rifles. If they are choosing them for their damage they are complete morons at best when it is one of the weakest rounds.

I have personaly shot many rifles including AR-15s. My 30-06 makes them look like a BB shot by a Daisy Red Rider.

Have you personaly fired any rifles or are you just finding info on the internet? Nothing wrong with that just trying to understand you POV on the 223 round.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I don't want to get shot with a BB gun but 223s are baby ammo for rifles. If they are choosing them for their damage they are complete morons at best when it is one of the weakest rounds.

I have personaly shot many rifles including AR-15s. My 30-06 makes them look like a BB shot by a Daisy Red Rider.

Have you personaly fired any rifles or are you just finding info on the internet? Nothing wrong with that just trying to understand you POV on the 223 round.

My point was about the guns, not the ammo. And yes, I have. What do you think about how the Uvalde shooter obtained his weapons and ammo? Should something about that be changed? In addition to the shooter himself (and the cowardly, inept local cops) who bears responsibility for all the murdered schoolchildren?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

My point was about the guns, not the ammo. And yes, I have. What do you think about how the Uvalde shooter obtained his weapons and ammo? Should something about that be changed? In addition to the shooter himself (and the cowardly, inept local cops) who bears responsibility for all the murdered schoolchildren?

I honestly do not follow that stuff or even care. I am glad there are people that do care but I don't.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I honestly do not follow that stuff or even care. I am glad there are people that do care but I don't.

Fair enough! Such direct honestly on this thread is refreshing

[G1911]

5.56 is a lethal round, like any bullet. It is also one of the LEAST powerful rifle rounds. Go to your gun store and try to find a centerfire rifle caliber on the shelf that has less 'power'.

It's around 1,700-1,800 joules for standard ammunition. 7.62x51 is about 3,500. .30-06 is just shy of 4,000, for comparison to the major US rifle cartridges.

5.56 fired from an AR-15 is, of course, no less or more lethal than a 5.56 from any other arm with the same barrel length.

There is a reason 5.56 is not used for hunting anything more than a deer, and even then a heavier and different loading is used.

If someone wants to propose banning all rifle rounds or some strict regulation that is not a ban on them, then propose it. Pretending the AR-15 (a platform, not a cartridge) should be regulated differently or banned because it's standard chambering is extra powerful is just, time 5,002 here, absolutely factually wrong.