What's up with Mike Trout?

[Peter_Spaeth]

As Packs and I both have mentioned, Ted Williams is the complete answer to the wrong notion that playoff success is necessary to be an elite all time legend. Why is this even being debated? Can it enhance one's legend, sure. Necessary, absolutely not.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

...Why is this even being debated?...

Because you could write, "water is wet" and there would be contrarian knuckleheads debating you.

Although not unique to Net54, there seems to be an uptick in the frequency of such behavior on this site lately. (I can hear a few keyboard warriors typing their responses to my post already)

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Because you could write, "water is wet" and there would be contrarian knuckleheads debating you.

Although not unique to Net54, there seems to be an uptick in the frequency of such behavior on this site lately. (I can hear a few keyboard warriors typing their responses to my post already)

Actually, I started this thread trying to make sense of the extended slump Trout was in...not his greatness, though I did comment on that later on.

There are several good-to-great hitters who are just starting to hit (Soto for example) or are still having down seasons and I believe at least some of that can be blamed on the lockout and abbreviated spring training. Plus the fact that teams had 15 and 16 man pitching staffs to start the season...good grief!


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[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Because you could write, "water is wet" and there would be contrarian knuckleheads debating you.

Although not unique to Net54, there seems to be an uptick in the frequency of such behavior on this site lately. (I can hear a few keyboard warriors typing their responses to my post already)

I put a 2 inch cube of water in my bourbon last night. It disappeared along with the bourbon. Does this prove unequivocally that water is wet? I think not.

Your favorite keyboard warrior

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

I put a 2 inch cube of water in my bourbon last night. It disappeared along with the bourbon. Does this prove unequivocally that water is wet? I think not.

Your favorite keyboard warrior

Frank - the attached reminds me of you:

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[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As Packs and I both have mentioned, Ted Williams is the complete answer to the wrong notion that playoff success is necessary to be an elite all time legend. Why is this even being debated? Can it enhance one's legend, sure. Necessary, absolutely not.

+1 agree and he served and lost prime time of career.

[clydepepper]

answering my own original question:

He has back issues, has missed the last four games and, thusly, will not participate in the All-Star game.


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[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

answering my own original question:

He has back issues, has missed the last four games and, thusly, will not participate in the All-Star game.


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Trout, evidently, read this post...and finally got one Friday.


The answer was actually posted on the Trout/Miggy thread here.

He saw the thread and was shamed into stealing a base. No wonder he has a back ache.

[deucetwins]

Frank, is a 2 inch cube of water really water? Or is it ice? Asking for a friend.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by deucetwins

Frank, is a 2 inch cube of water really water? Or is it ice? Asking for a friend.

Don't get me started or I'll tell you why a giraffe cannot breathe.

[mrreality68]

Trout is having another strong year but he is hurt again since before all star game and missing time.
I would love to see him on action a full year with no injuries he would be even more amazing.
Hopefully these injuries do not keep going and slow him down later in his career especially with that long contract

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As Packs and I both have mentioned, Ted Williams is the complete answer to the wrong notion that playoff success is necessary to be an elite all time legend. Why is this even being debated? Can it enhance one's legend, sure. Necessary, absolutely not.

well people who point to Derek Jeter being better than Arod would disagree... that not me but just saying,

i have defended Clayton Kershaw for years for his postseason..so i am not a hater of lack of playoff success players compared to their regular season and/or lack of championships...

but i do agree a 'lesser' regular season player perhaps just a bit lesser, who has a much greater playoff success would be 'better' in my book as you cant say winning and doing well in the postseason doesnt matter like spring training,..its a second season.....especially now with so many playoff teams versus the amount of playoff teams in years past...

[packs]

You're getting into the subjective which is good for discussions. In a subjective world, I would say Derek Jeter was the better player between him and A-Rod. I say that because if I were going to have to choose one player for my team, I would choose Jeter over A-Rod every time.

That's not because Jeter had better stats. It's because I'd rather have him on my team knowing he has attributes you won't necessarily get with A-Rod.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

You're getting into the subjective which is good for discussions. In a subjective world, I would say Derek Jeter was the better player between him and A-Rod. I say that because if I were going to have to choose one player for my team, I would choose Jeter over A-Rod every time.

That's not because Jeter had better stats. It's because I'd rather have him on my team knowing he has attributes you won't necessarily get with A-Rod.

many of jeter's attributes are from his POST season play.....if Jeter played ZERO post season games..you would easily pick Arod even if Arod has zero post season games as well...

thus will be the argument against Trout .versus some other lesser stat player but great in postseason.. its always a subjective world until we play real games on paper..

[mrreality68]

For me the argument against Trout is his durability more than playoff issue.

He is a great player but to me availability is the greatest ability.

4 out of the last 6 years ( the shortened year he played 53) he had played less then 114 games and is high is 140 during that time.

Prior to 2016 he was it Great and Durable.

And now with this back issue that can effect the rest of his career and needs to be watched and managed we all fear how it might impact his high standards of greatness moving forward

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

For me the argument against Trout is his durability more than playoff issue.

He is a great player but to me availability is the greatest ability.

4 out of the last 6 years ( the shortened year he played 53) he had played less then 114 games and is high is 140 during that time.

Prior to 2016 he was it Great and Durable.

And now with this back issue that can effect the rest of his career and needs to be watched and managed we all fear how it might impact his high standards of greatness moving forward

as many people say 'Availability' is one of the best abilities..



also if you are a super player an elite player..today with THREE wild card teams for your team to not make the playoffs versus players before 1969 who had very limited postseasons i believe you should punish more elite players with lack of playoff success as there are so many more opportunites to make the playoffs

The fact a poster shows he thinks jeter is better than Arod and would rather have jeter on their team shows that winning playoff games matter.......

are you a better player if everyone wants you on your team to win games given a choice, or are you better if your stats are better?