Sam Thompson value

joed25 · #1 07-07-2022, 10:42 PM

According to the seller it was done in the 1800�s. I don�t know the artist�s name. Thank you

jcmtiger · #2 07-07-2022, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by joed25

According to the seller it was done in the 1800�s. I don�t know the artist�s name. Thank you

Would really want this in my collection. If this was done in the 1800�s would be amazing. Have to have more provenance.

EddieP · #3 07-08-2022, 12:43 AM

There is chipping paint and it looks like a smoker use to owned it. There appears to be white paint on the frame. Whatever the value , restoration/ cleaning/ framing costs should be negotiated into the price. Unless the subject is a person of historical significance, it is the Artist, Provenance , and date ( in that order) that is the key to the value of the portrait .If the seller can not provide any of this then I would tread very carefully. There are a lot of fakes/ frauds/ forgeries that are sold by felons in the art market.

There is not much information provided to give a good estimate of the value. Right now all we have is a supposed picture of Sam Thompson painted no earlier than 1887.

Do you have a picture of the back? Sometimes there are clues that can lead to the artist, date and provenance of the painting ( e.g. Gallery’s name). Is this painting being sold by a Gallery, private party, thrift shop, pawn shop etc?

Joe_G. · #4 07-08-2022, 01:55 AM

How large is the painting?

Here is Graig Kreindler's Sam Thompson. This painting is based off a cabinet photo from spring of 1886.

The Dauvray medals were gifted to the players after the 1887 "World Championship" was complete (Gorham engraved winning team and player names on the medals). I've researched this detail in past but away from my notes at present. I recall that the NL umpire Honest John Gaffney received his Dauvray medal in spring of 1888.

drcy · #5 07-08-2022, 02:48 AM

If it's really from the 1800s, I think it would have good value. Not many 19th-century paintings like that around. Rare piece.

Michael B · #6 07-08-2022, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by EddieP

There is chipping paint and it looks like a smoker use to owned it. There appears to be white paint on the frame. Whatever the value , restoration/ cleaning/ framing costs should be negotiated into the price. Unless the subject is a person of historical significance, it is the Artist, Provenance , and date ( in that order) that is the key to the value of the portrait .

That is not white paint. The frame is plaster over wood covered with gold paint. Very common style of frame Late 1800's to early 1900's. My wife has a number of similar frames on paintings in storage. These can be restored using the opposite side of the frame and creating a mirror mold to shape the plaster for the missing plaster such as in the lower frame face at the bevel. The sides are easier as it is a continuous simple rounded edge.

I don't see how you can assume that this was owned by a smoker. Paintings can darken without the presence of cigar/pipe or cigarette smoke. There is damage to the canvas in the upper left quadrant that looks like water damage from the back.

EddieP · #7 07-08-2022, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael B

That is not white paint. The frame is plaster over wood covered with gold paint. Very common style of frame Late 1800's to early 1900's. My wife has a number of similar frames on paintings in storage. These can be restored using the opposite side of the frame and creating a mirror mold to shape the plaster for the missing plaster such as in the lower frame face at the bevel. The sides are easier as it is a continuous simple rounded edge.

I don't see how you can assume that this was owned by a smoker. Paintings can darken without the presence of cigar/pipe or cigarette smoke. There is damage to the canvas in the upper left quadrant that looks like water damage from the back.

Can�t really tell if it�s wood without lifting it or examining in person. Regardless if it�s smoke, soot etc , we are in agreement that painting not in the best of shape and it will affect the cost. Right?

Michael B · #8 07-08-2022, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by EddieP

Can�t really tell if it�s wood without lifting it or examining in person. Regardless if it�s smoke, soot etc , we are in agreement that painting not in the best of shape and it will affect the cost. Right?

Agreed, there are a few spots where it appears there is paint missing. Yes it is wood under the plaster. As mentioned, my wife owns more than a few framed paintings with this style of frame. I have hung, packed and moved them multiple times so I am familiar with these.

joed25 · #9 07-08-2022, 05:45 AM

The seller is asking $75,000. Does that seem like a crazy price for this? I�m sorry I don�t have more details about the history.

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