Gun ownership poll

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I appreciate the reply, and I'm starting to understand where you're coming from. In spirit, I agree with much of this. Practically, though, I think there is a huge web of complex problems to disentangle if we're going to get there. Would enough Americans agree on ways to form such a foundation?

(And, I have many thoughts on the very important issues you mentioned regarding trust in government and illegal drugs, but I'll hold off on veering this thread into even more controversial territory...)

Responding to the bold...

- No, because there isn't enough proper education on the topics, and not enough people who care to go beyond what they're spoon fed by the media and politicians. This is why it's so important to denounce the term "assault weapons" because there is no such thing, and it's a propaganda term.

- One of my first posts questioned the OP's motives behind starting this thread, as his original post had a huge slant and the discussion is political in nature. Again, in my opinion, you cannot discuss this issue productively and work towards an actual solution without turning the focus to the other areas we've agreed upon. Until we restore decency and healthiness to the majority of society, we will continue to see criminal attempts like school shootings. The only solution in the interim is to fight fire with fire, tear down the "gun free zone" signs, and protect our children with the same level of protection as our politicians, etc.

[drcy]

I've never owned a gun and am against the proliferation of guns. However, the 2nd Amendment is clear. The 2nd Amendment gives the constitutional right for Americans to own guns. However, the amendment also doesn't prevent reasonable prevention or rules.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by drcy

I've never owned a gun and am against the proliferation of guns. However, the 2nd Amendment is clear. The 2nd Amendment gives the constitutional right for Americans to own guns. However, the amendment also doesn't prevent reasonable prevention or rules.

"Shall not be infringed"

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

"Shall not be infringed"

Do you think it allows a citizen to own a nuclear weapon for personal use? As soon as you say no you are infringing.

[G1911]

Gun owners will give up all of their nuclear weapons to the gun-grabbers.

The gun grabbers will leave us all the common-use tools of our grandfathers time, and repeal the existing infringements on them.

Compromise!

[drcy]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

"Shall not be infringed"

Incorrect. "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Do you think it allows a citizen to own a nuclear weapon for personal use? As soon as you say no you are infringing.

I think we've found our compromise.

Originally Posted by drcy

Incorrect. "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

Incorrect? Are you sure?

[irv]

This is the "woke" "virtue signaling" insanity we are dealing with up here.
Says we are getting serious about gun crimes but reduces the sentences for those committing gun crimes.
Says citizens cannot defend themselves with a gun but the bad guys who do will have their sentences reduced.
https://www.facebook.com/CanadaProud...7485935645037/
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...ous-gun-crimes

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by irv

This is the "woke" insanity we are dealing with up here.
Says we are getting serious about gun crimes but reduces the sentences for those committing gun crimes.
Says citizens cannot defend themselves with a gun but the bad guys who do will have their sentences reduced.
https://www.facebook.com/CanadaProud...7485935645037/
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...ous-gun-crimes

They must be pandering for the criminal vote.

The 2 things murderers want most:
1. A more defenseless populous on which to prey.
2. Lighter sentences when/if they are caught/convicted.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

Incorrect? Are you sure?

Yes. Because, as demonstrated by Supreme Courts upholding regulations on guns, I am correct.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by drcy

Yes. Because, as demonstrated by Supreme Courts upholding regulations on guns, I am correct.

What regulations do you want?

[drcy]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

Incorrect? Are you sure?

Yes. The amendment does not prevent regulations on types of guns and other aspects. The Supreme Courts has upheld various regulations, and Scalia himself spelled out limits. Unless you believe the 2nd amendment allows anyone to own a nuclear weapon or banned bioweapon, you yourself agree. Scalia used the example of a bazooka.