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You may wish to consider actual studies done on the topic, such as https://www.rand.org/research/gun-po...agreement.html that show that gun violence has been reduced dramatically by the 1996 laws in Australia |
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We'll list every gun massacre: 1970-1995: 14 Hope Forrest Massacre Campsie murders Party shooting spree Wahroonga murders Milperra massacre Pymble shootings Top End shootings Hoddle street massacre Queen Street massacre Oenpelli shootings Surry hills shootings Strathfield massacre Central coast massacre Canai seige 1996: 2 Hill crest murders Port Arthur Massacre 1997-2022: 14 Wright St. Bikie Murders Monash University Shooting Oakhampton Heights shooting Hectorville Seige Hunt family murders Wedderburn shooting Sydney hostage crisis Parramatta shooting Port Lincoln murders Brighton siege Osmington shooting Hills District murders Darwin shooting Melbourne nightclub drive-by shooting So.... it's exactly the same. Gun massacres have not changed, total massacres have almost doubled, even as overall crime and homicide has decreased for many many years before and after the bans. I too can produce studies from my side claiming the opposite. I don't like to hide behind an appeal to authority though, I like to look at the data. I have other concerns, I don't think turning things people did when it was legal into a crime overnight like bans do, I like the Constitution, I believe a fellow has the right to defend himself and his family with the prevalent tools of the time and should not be forced to be outraged by the criminals. These are personal opinions I have though and on which we may all reasonably differ. Whether or not a particular action has led to the solution it was intended is something we can look at more objectively. The data does not suggest that these bans have accomplished anything. I would even posit that there is somewhere in the world where heavy regulation probably HAS actually had an impact, in a place where arms ownership was not so commonplace, valued so highly, and there were far fewer millions with the technical know-how to maintain or build their own arms. |
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You say that you can produce studies showing that Australia's guns laws have not reduced gun violence, but you haven't produced any. Instead you have cited Wikipedia. Last edited by cgjackson222; 06-11-2022 at 05:45 PM. |
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Yes, I looked up the list of massacres on Wikipedia. I do not look up an independent scholarly source of every incident on JSTOR, but used a readily accessible list as common sense would suggest. How many deaths would you like to redefine as a massacre? Which here massacre is incorrect and wrong because the list is on Wikipedia (not exactly a bastion of the right)? It would seem rather silly to compile a list from scratch that already exists. I'm sorry the list does not support your narrative. |
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I should make it a signature at this point as it's getting old typing it out. An appeal to authority is not a logical argument, nor is it persuasive (as many other kinds of illogical arguments are). Another expert or study will always be found that concludes something a different; a claim is true or untrue or an opinion/value statement that is neither false nor true on the merits of itself and its supporting evidence, not the authority or claim of any person or group. |
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I appreciate you providing a link re: Australia gun violence. But I don't see where in the article it supports your view that the laws enacted in 1996 did not decrease gun violence. You chose an article from 2003, and from what I am reading in the article, it acknowledges that gun violence decreased in Australia but it might have been too early to attribute it to the laws. Further study was needed. That further study has since occurred, and the studies indicate that the laws led to a substantial decrease in gun violence. At the end of the day, are you okay with the current levels of gun violence in the US? If not, what do you think should change? Last edited by cgjackson222; 06-11-2022 at 08:11 PM. |
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