Gun ownership poll

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

In a compromise both sides give up something for the benefit of working out a deal. I'm personally willing to try things such as:

• Raising the minimum age to purchase a firearm
• More comprehensive background checks
• Waiting period
• Mental health examinations as needed
• Tighter school security (yes, I'm willing to pay more taxes)
• Open to other suggestions as well

- No. 18 is the adult age in society. If an 18 year old can sign a lease/mortgage, live on their own, be responsible for themselves and/or others (family, roommates, etc.), they should be able to defend themselves adequately against any and all threats.

- Not sure what this solves. The Uvalde shooter passed a background check.

- No. Nobody should have to wait for a tool to defend themselves/their families. Not to mention this prevents literally nothing as the Uvalde shooter/other shoots could just carry out his heinous act after the waiting period.

- No. This could be easily politicized and weaponized against sane people. Mental health is subjective in most cases. The Tulsa shooter had a botched surgery and snapped. Mental health checks wouldn't prevent that.

- Yes to this, but let's audit government for the funds before taxing Americans. Maybe the Congress slush fund can be emptied for starters.

- Other suggestions: hold society, Big Pharma, and government accountable. Raise better kids, uphold better basic values, fix our corrupt school system, quit pill shoving, etc. I'm not in the minority in refusing to give up liberties for someone else to feel safe. I live right, do my best to treat people right, and am a law abiding system.

Murder is already illegal. I don't believe many serial killers used firearms to commit their crimes. Murder is not restricted by the tool, but rather enabled by the absence of proper values, environment, treatment, etc. Additional laws won't prevent what is already illegal yet achievable by really any means necessary once someone commits to that act. Until we start having legitimate conversations about the real problems - Big Pharma, mental health, attentive families, non-corrupt education, etc. - nothing will change. It will only ever get worse.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

- No. 18 is the adult age in society. If an 18 year old can sign a lease/mortgage, live on their own, be responsible for themselves and/or others (family, roommates, etc.), they should be able to defend themselves adequately against any and all threats.

- Not sure what this solves. The Uvalde shooter passed a background check.

- No. Nobody should have to wait for a tool to defend themselves/their families. Not to mention this prevents literally nothing as the Uvalde shooter/other shoots could just carry out his heinous act after the waiting period.

- No. This could be easily politicized and weaponized against sane people. Mental health is subjective in most cases. The Tulsa shooter had a botched surgery and snapped. Mental health checks wouldn't prevent that.

- Yes to this, but let's audit government for the funds before taxing Americans. Maybe the Congress slush fund can be emptied for starters.

- Other suggestions: hold society, Big Pharma, and government accountable. Raise better kids, uphold better basic values, fix our corrupt school system, quit pill shoving, etc. I'm not in the minority in refusing to give up liberties for someone else to feel safe. I live right, do my best to treat people right, and am a law abiding system.

Murder is already illegal. I don't believe many serial killers used firearms to commit their crimes. Murder is not restricted by the tool, but rather enabled by the absence of proper values, environment, treatment, etc. Additional laws won't prevent what is already illegal yet achievable by really any means necessary once someone commits to that act. Until we start having legitimate conversations about the real problems - Big Pharma, mental health, attentive families, non-corrupt education, etc. - nothing will change. It will only ever get worse.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

You have a lot of no's, do you have any suggestions?

[clydepepper]

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[clydepepper]

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[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

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Is your profile picture/avatar Ken Holtzman?

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Is your profile picture/avatar Ken Holtzman?

Yes. It's pen and ink: The sole surviving piece of my art work.

Modeled after a Baseball Digest Cover:

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[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Yes. It's pen and ink: The sole surviving piece of my art work.

Modeled after a Baseball Digest Cover:

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Awesome, even though I was way too young his first go around with them he is still one of my favorite all time Cubs.

[KCRfan1]

Thank you for the laughs Ray!!!!!

We needed this.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

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I will add my opinion and highly agree with the opinions in this post.

[Deertick]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i-...122eb91c00e055

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Deertick

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i-...122eb91c00e055

Thanks for this. I'm glad they mentioned social media and cable news. Many operators in both spaces are in the business of manufacturing and amplifying outrage and anger in order to maximize engagement.

[Leon]

News Flash

David James, aka Vintagetoppsguy, is taking another time out for circumventing the name rules on the forum. Outing other members full names, without anything masking it to prevent searches, is not happening. That was also his 4th infraction.
Please continue and try not to get political. Thanks
.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

You have a lot of no's, do you have any suggestions?

Yes. Please refer back to my post and read more closely.

Other suggestions: hold society, Big Pharma, and government accountable. Raise better kids, uphold better basic values, fix our corrupt school system, quit pill shoving, etc.

Additional laws won't prevent what is already illegal yet achievable by really any means necessary once someone commits to that act. Until we start having legitimate conversations about the real problems - Big Pharma, mental health, attentive families, non-corrupt education, etc. - nothing will change. It will only ever get worse.