What is the RAREST Pre War COMPLETE PSA graded set??

[Casey2296]

With those parameters I would say the T206 524 has to be up there.

[Leon]

Not pertaining to a registry, because I couldn't care less about them, but...

Jim Blumenthal (rip) finished a N167 baseball set. Not sure another one was complete before that but there might have been.

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[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by Leon

Not pertaining to a registry, because I couldn't care less about them, but...

Jim Blumenthal (rip) finished a N167 baseball set. Not sure another one was complete before that but there might have been.

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Leon:

I too could care about the registry, but that is the only thing we have as a "record" to know what is out there

I am not asking about multiple complete sets.

Using your mention of Jim's N167 complete set, I am asking how many other N167's have been graded not counting his cards.

Looking for a complete set with the fewest OTHER cards from that set that have been graded.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

With those parameters I would say the T206 524 has to be up there.

no way! something like a t215 pirate set(no known complete sets) or some other obscure set with a low overall pop. overall pop of T206 is monstrous!

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

no way! something like a t215 pirate set(no known complete sets) or some other obscure set with a low overall pop. overall pop of T206 is monstrous!

The parameters are a complete set in the PSA registry. If we're going complete set rarity in general there are several including a complete set of Rose postcards as well as the T215 Pirate you mentioned.

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

no way! something like a t215 pirate set(no known complete sets) or some other obscure set with a low overall pop. overall pop of T206 is monstrous!

Pete:

If there are no T215 Pirate COMPLETE sets, that does not meet my parameters.

I am looking for a complete set with the fewest other cards from that set

[x2drich2000]

Jim's N167 set came to my mind first as well. Was his set completely graded? It definitely wasn't completely PSA graded. PSA has only graded 15 N167s total and only 7 different players.

[glchen]

Well, I know that this set is definitely not the rarest complete set, but I have a W519 Type 1 set here: Link, where for some of the cards, there are only a total population of 3, which are graded by PSA. However, the reason isn't that these cards are rare, it's more that they aren't worth that much, so no one bothers to get them graded.

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

no way! something like a t215 pirate set(no known complete sets) or some other obscure set with a low overall pop. overall pop of T206 is monstrous!

I think there is a complete T215 Pirate set owned by Rich, he bought it as the Mastro live auction in Cleveland about 15 years ago.

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

I think there is a complete T215 Pirate set owned by Rich, he bought it as the Mastro live auction in Cleveland about 15 years ago.

I hope Rich does have a complete set. But there is none listed in the PSA registry. There are only 11 cards from the set in the POP report. Certainly if there were to be a complete set graded and on the registry this would be the type of info I am looking for. I would bet 11 would be hard to top.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by whiteymet

I hope Rich does have a complete set. But there is none listed in the PSA registry. There are only 11 cards from the set in the POP report. Certainly if there were to be a complete set graded and on the registry this would be the type of info I am looking for. I would bet 11 would be hard to top.

i was pretty sure someone was 1 card away from completion...I dunno?

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by whiteymet

I hope Rich does have a complete set. But there is none listed in the PSA registry. There are only 11 cards from the set in the POP report. Certainly if there were to be a complete set graded and on the registry this would be the type of info I am looking for. I would bet 11 would be hard to top.

I don't think Rich is a PSA registry kind of person. And I think but could be wrong he most likely has the most complete N172 set.

[steve B]

The T49 set which has a baseball card among the 20 would be a good example.
There's one known complete set.
And as far as I know no cards graded between PSA and SGC

Three of the cards weren't even known until 2011, about a century after they were probably issued.

[G1911]

If we’re counting non-sports like T49 it’s probably one of those; very few of even the tough sets get submitted.

Not a set together anymore today, but were the Alleghenies submitted all together when they were found? I don’t recall when/the story of that issue’s discovery.

[whiteymet]

Interesting about non sport sets, but since this is a Pre War BASEBALL CARD forum, I am asking about a baseball set.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by whiteymet

Interesting about non sport sets, but since this is a Pre War BASEBALL CARD forum, I am asking about a baseball set.

So eliminating all the "baseball sets" that are actually part of a multi sport set?

T3/T9
T227
T332
Most N sets
W551

And many more.

[Republicaninmass]

I couldnt care less if people could care less about the registry.

Pretty sure the title of the thread was specific enough, lest people pontificate.




Sheesh

T206 for real? That's a guess? Not sure how many Doyle's are out there but plenty of cards more rare than the Wagner

[Chicosbailbonds]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I couldnt care less if people could care less about the registry.

Pretty sure the title of the thread was specific enough, lest people pontificate.




Sheesh

T206 for real? That's a guess? Not sure how many Doyle's are out there but plenty of cards more rare than the Wagner

Asking to learn and not question - what cards are more rare than Wagner?

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

With those parameters I would say the T206 524 has to be up there.

I think you missed my point or I did not explain properly.

I would think the T206 set would be the exact oppostie of what I am asking. There are TONS of individual cards from the T206 set that have been graded.

I asked about a complete set someone has that then has the fewest individual cards graded for that set

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by whiteymet

I think you missed my point or I did not explain properly.

I would think the T206 set would be the exact oppostie of what I am asking. There are TONS of individual cards from the T206 set that have been graded.

I asked about a complete set someone has that then has the fewest individual cards graded for that set

Ah, I did miss your point.

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by whiteymet

I think you missed my point or I did not explain properly.

I would think the T206 set would be the exact opposite of what I am asking. There are TONS of individual cards from the T206 set that have been graded.

I asked about a complete set someone has that then has the fewest individual cards graded for that set

The 1930 Frank H. Fleer Whiz Bang set might qualify. It is thought the set is comprised of 16 cards, 3 of which are baseball players (Goslin, Grove & Hartnett). The cards originally surfaced in the 2009 REA auction.

I requested PSA add the set to the registry and supplied them with info on the set including the original REA auction listing. They approved the set but it is not listed yet. I have not sent in my cards to be graded; to my knowledge, none are graded at PSA or SGC.

They are 15 baseball cards known of the 3 players with a distribution of 5 for Gosling, 6 for Grove and 4 for Hartnett.

[BeanTown]

For pre war postcards I would say

1908-09 Rose
1935 Pebble Beach
1923 Exhibits

[steve B]

I think it's a bit of a stretch to consider H804s as baseball cards.
The number is a catchall for baseball themed trade cards. With a few exceptions they were sold as generic blank cards, and the merchant buying them would have their company info printed or rubber stamped on the ones they bought.

Typically they were sold by the hundred, which for a set of 4-5 would be a total of 20-25 each for a particular business. so it's not surprising if some are very uncommon. Some like Merchants Gargling Oil are very common. It's also likely there are several that don't even exist anymore.

They don't generally depict actual players, but general comical (depending on your sense of humor) baseball scenes.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by steve B

I think it's a bit of a stretch to consider H804s as baseball cards.
The number is a catchall for baseball themed trade cards. With a few exceptions they were sold as generic blank cards, and the merchant buying them would have their company info printed or rubber stamped on the ones they bought.

Typically they were sold by the hundred, which for a set of 4-5 would be a total of 20-25 each for a particular business. so it's not surprising if some are very uncommon. Some like Merchants Gargling Oil are very common. It's also likely there are several that don't even exist anymore.

They don't generally depict actual players, but general comical (depending on your sense of humor) baseball scenes.

+1

[Bridwell]

Looking at the PSA Pop reports, these are some of the toughest to collect in PSA slabs. These are all from the era of 1906-1916.

1906 Ullman Postcard, only 4 graded total for the whole set
1910 Washington Times, only 6 graded total for the whole set
1914 E&S Postcard, only 11 graded
1910 T215 Pirate, only 11 graded
1909-16 Max Stein Postcard, only 15 graded
1911 Baltimore News, only 23 graded
1910 E104-3, only 22 graded
1910 E104-2, only 27 graded
1910 T208 Cullivan's Fireside, only 30 graded
1914 E224 Texas Tommy, only 32 graded
1910 T215 Red Cross Type 1, only 42 graded

Some of these sets have quite a few SGC graded, however.