Catch 22 of card grading - is it worth the gamble?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

If he got half of a large submission back as altered or, in his opinion, undergraded,there's something wrong with his vetting process.

[Casey2296]

Sounds like SGC, their graders are on a "trimmed", "altered" kick right now when it comes to pre-war.

[Johnny630]

I’m going to preface that i myself really like sending cards in for grading only within certain limits expectations, kinda pick and choose your best cards with the most upside potential. I never crack cards without knowing the history, where it come from raw, whom it was graded by ect. I’ll only usually do this on cards I had raw first.

That being said I have noticed it seems like far to many feel the need to just grade And hope for the best. It’s like a gambler who had some luck grading in the past, maybe scored on a couple cards.
Now they think they’re good and can one up the house so then send in. When cards come back much harsher graded then expected they have an issue of wether to cut their losses or double down. Many double down and repeat the same cycle, it’s a gamble, could it work or could it be danger zone, idk but check some peoples credit card bills who are pissed when they get charged and aren’t getting the graded they perceived. If you have conviction in your card sure keep trying but to arbitrarily keep sending back in is risky business.

[BobC]

Has anyone heard of an instance where someone who paid for grading with a credit card took exception to the grades they got, and filed a claim with their credit card company because they felt they were cheated and not given the proper service they paid for?

I myself do not send cards in to be graded. (Only submitted items once to prove authenticity.) But I hear and understand that TPGs normally won't tell submitters exactly what they found/feel is wrong with a card when grading it, and also claim to not keep notes or records to really back up their opinions either. So, if someone felt they really got screwed by a TPG, could they get away with taking them to task and claiming they did not accurately grade their cards and, therefore, successfully file a claim for refund with their CC company? Since the TPGs claim to keep no notes or records, what would they have to show to a CC company to prove they actually did what they claimed and got paid for, to examine and ACCURATELY grade and encapsulate someone's cards.

Would be interesting to hear the outcome if someone's ever tried doing that.

[icurnmedic]

I have actually heard of someone filing with their CC company. I recall it was Beckett,but not sure if I ever heard the outcome.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by icurnmedic

I have actually heard of someone filing with their CC company. I recall it was Beckett,but not sure if I ever heard the outcome.

Hmmmm! Interesting, and if someone were to be successful, very surprised it isn't widely done much more frequently. Too bad we don't know the outcome from this one instance.

[Rich Falvo]

You’re not guaranteed a specific grade. You’re paying for a service. I don’t see how you could argue that you didn’t get what you paid for.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by BobC

Hmmmm! Interesting, and if someone were to be successful, very surprised it isn't widely done much more frequently. Too bad we don't know the outcome from this one instance.

Well you also have to be willing to never use said company again, so it is a game with consequences.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by BobC

Has anyone heard of an instance where someone who paid for grading with a credit card took exception to the grades they got, and filed a claim with their credit card company because they felt they were cheated and not given the proper service they paid for?

I myself do not send cards in to be graded. (Only submitted items once to prove authenticity.) But I hear and understand that TPGs normally won't tell submitters exactly what they found/feel is wrong with a card when grading it, and also claim to not keep notes or records to really back up their opinions either. So, if someone felt they really got screwed by a TPG, could they get away with taking them to task and claiming they did not accurately grade their cards and, therefore, successfully file a claim for refund with their CC company? Since the TPGs claim to keep no notes or records, what would they have to show to a CC company to prove they actually did what they claimed and got paid for, to examine and ACCURATELY grade and encapsulate someone's cards.

Would be interesting to hear the outcome if someone's ever tried doing that.

Bob I don’t think so. When you send in the cards you’re agreeing to only be paying for their opinion, that’s it.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Bob I don’t think so. When you send in the cards you’re agreeing to only be paying for their opinion, that’s it.

I know, and don't disagree at all. But to form that opinion, don't they agree to examine and look over a card to make their assessment. With supposedly no notes and records, how could they ever prove to anyone they actually did a thorough and proper exam of a card? And aren't there grading standards they are supposed to go by, so their opinion is actually supposed to be based on a factual and supposed uniform and established set of those standards.

Watching a TV show or movie, and then saying you like it or not, now that is a pure opinion. But having a staff of graders who are all supposedly reviewing and grading a card based on a fixed set of standards put forth by the TPG for ALL their grading staff to follow, that isn't so clearly a true opinion to me, and clearly isn't necessarily each grader's true individual opinion either.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

If he got half of a large submission back as altered or, in his opinion, undergraded,there's something wrong with his vetting process.

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