Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by energyrater1

Covid is over

Tell that to the 1,670 people, on average, who died in the US every day for the last 28 days. Oh wait, you can't.

Originally Posted by energyrater1

and only affecting those who got the jab.

Yeah, no need for me to read anymore.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

Tell that to the 1,670 people, on average, who died in the US every day for the last 28 days. Oh wait, you can't.



Yeah, no need for me to read anymore.

Has the overall death toll % changed in the last 10 years will all these added deaths? I cant seem to find much deviation. I'm seeing a steady .10 increase.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Has the overall death toll % changed in the last 10 years will all these added deaths? I cant seem to find much deviation. I'm seeing a steady .10 increase.

Good question, but I don't think the answer, which you've posted, gives us any idea regarding the effects of Covid on the US death rates. Although one would expect a larger increase in the growth rate between 2019 and 2020, I don't see that. It's interesting that the death rate growth declined pretty much every year between 2014 and 2021. It's also confusing that they have 2022 data in the list. We're only 2 months into the year and I'm surprised they would have anything for it. One obvious reason for a growth in the death rate is the aging population. But it's curious that there was a big jump in the growth rate between 2013 and 2014. What happened then?

I also need to point out that I left out a key word in my previous post. It should have read, "Tell that to the 1,670 people, on average, who died of Covid in the US every day for the last 28 days."

[tschock]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

Good question, but I don't think the answer, which you've posted, gives us any idea regarding the effects of Covid on the US death rates. Although one would expect a larger increase in the growth rate between 2019 and 2020, I don't see that. It's interesting that the death rate growth declined pretty much every year between 2014 and 2021. It's also confusing that they have 2022 data in the list. We're only 2 months into the year and I'm surprised they would have anything for it. One obvious reason for a growth in the death rate is the aging population. But it's curious that there was a big jump in the growth rate between 2013 and 2014. What happened then?

I also need to point out that I left out a key word in my previous post. It should have read, "Tell that to the 1,670 people, on average, who died of Covid in the US every day for the last 28 days."

Here's a correction for you. They did NOT die "of COVID". They did WITH COVID. Just one of a number of ways that inaccurate information keeps getting pushed. And it is a valid distinction.

Do I get this from FOX News? No, from the CDC itself.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#AgeAndSex

[vintagetoppsguy]

Pfizer CEO now says a 4th dose is necessary.

https://abc13.com/covid-19-vaccine-f...r-of/11650075/

I can see it now. In 10 years, people will still be dying with Covid and all their friends and loved ones will say, "If he'd only had his 32nd booster it might have saved him."

Go get your shots sheeple...errr, I mean people.

[frankbmd]

[QUOTE=maniac_73;2205408]Ya’ll are spending a lot of time and emotion writing massive posts that convince people of nothing and accomplish nothing. All energy that could be spent more productively.


Yup. Collecting baseball cards is the definition of productivity, along with learning the economics of supply and demand, sniffing out the fraudulent altering of cardboard for profit, and the posting of cards that most of us cannot afford to get a few "attaboys" on pick up threads.

It would be a better world if Putin, Zelensky, Fauci, Xi and all the other pols were productive members of our hobby community. Who in their right mind would consider the invasion of Ukraine more important than the MLB CBA.

I pray this post isn't too political for our fearless leader Leon.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by tschock

Here's a correction for you. They did NOT die "of COVID". They did WITH COVID. Just one of a number of ways that inaccurate information keeps getting pushed. And it is a valid distinction.

Do I get this from FOX News? No, from the CDC itself.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#AgeAndSex

Massachusetts recently revised its numbers downward fairly significantly.

There is this take though:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d415...=pocket_mylist

[tschock]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Massachusetts recently revised its numbers downward fairly significantly.

There is this take though:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d415...=pocket_mylist

Thanks for the article. I generally agree with the premise of the article. A couple of things, not that I disagree with, but to clarify where I'm coming from.

The subtitle: "Modelling suggests that by the end of 2021, some 18 million people had died because of the pandemic"

And also in the article: "But he stresses that such estimates also include deaths from other causes. More research is needed, he says, to separate deaths caused directly by COVID-19 from those that are the indirect results of the pandemic, such as those of people who did not have COVID-19 and died because of inadequate medical care in overwhelmed hospitals."

But I also think the more accurate take wouldn't be because of the pandemic, but because of how we handled the pandemic. When you warehouse COVID positive patients with other elderly patients, you don't get a good outcome. When you negatively impact peoples lives by limiting their ability to perform their jobs in a relatively safe environment (ie those working outdoors), the stress of 'where does the next paycheck come from' has a definite health impact. I could list many other examples of the impact of COVID that needs to be appropriately balanced against the absolute numbers of the 'death toll' side.

I will say it again that measuring deaths alone and even factoring in excess death models does not give the complete picture. What we leave out of the other side of the equation is the negative impact of the 'years lost' of those who were negatively impacted by the policies that were put in place to address the pandemic. And there were a number of stupid ones that we put in place even within the context of what we knew at the time. It will be years down the road before we'll even be able to model all the 'years lost' of people who did not die with COVID.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by tschock

Thanks for the article. I generally agree with the premise of the article. A couple of things, not that I disagree with, but to clarify where I'm coming from.

The subtitle: "Modelling suggests that by the end of 2021, some 18 million people had died because of the pandemic"

And also in the article: "But he stresses that such estimates also include deaths from other causes. More research is needed, he says, to separate deaths caused directly by COVID-19 from those that are the indirect results of the pandemic, such as those of people who did not have COVID-19 and died because of inadequate medical care in overwhelmed hospitals."

But I also think the more accurate take wouldn't be because of the pandemic, but because of how we handled the pandemic. When you warehouse COVID positive patients with other elderly patients, you don't get a good outcome. When you negatively impact peoples lives by limiting their ability to perform their jobs in a relatively safe environment (ie those working outdoors), the stress of 'where does the next paycheck come from' has a definite health impact. I could list many other examples of the impact of COVID that needs to be appropriately balanced against the absolute numbers of the 'death toll' side.

I will say it again that measuring deaths alone and even factoring in excess death models does not give the complete picture. What we leave out of the other side of the equation is the negative impact of the 'years lost' of those who were negatively impacted by the policies that were put in place to address the pandemic. And there were a number of stupid ones that we put in place even within the context of what we knew at the time. It will be years down the road before we'll even be able to model all the 'years lost' of people who did not die with COVID.

Just speaking neutrally, yes there are always trade offs. There has been a great cost, particularly I think among young people, of social isolation, for example.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Has the overall death toll % changed in the last 10 years will all these added deaths? I cant seem to find much deviation. I'm seeing a steady .10 increase.

The first thing I noticed is the data you show comes from the United Nations 2019 Revision of World Population Prospects. So, the data for 2020 through 2022 is a projection.

The CDC data on excess deaths paints an interesting picture.XSD.jpg

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

The first thing I noticed is the data you show comes from the United Nations 2019 Revision of World Population Prospects. So, the data for 2020 through 2022 is a projection.

The CDC data on excess deaths paints an interesting picture.Attachment 507165

Totally off topic, I always heard "more people die around the holidays" but always thought it just something people said.