Forum Member Dilemma

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I originally voted to ban, but after reading this I have changed my mind. The name thing with the site registration is bone headed, but if Leon banned people for bone headed things I would have been banned a long time ago (as with many others too). FWIW, there is another member that uses a fake name and I have even PM'd the admins about it, but he continues to use that name. Note sure why something hasn't been done, but I don't run the site.

As far as the card return, the explanation sounds plausible to me. I don't think it was a case of buyer's remorse.

That's just my $.02

FWIW there are several including one with multiple fake names.

This is not the same Mathew I referred to in my other post.

I vote we let him stay. Others have done WAY worse without being banned.

[DeanH3]

After hearing his side and seeing all the deals he's already made with long time members, I voted No. I still believe some BST restriction should be implemented.

Matthew must realize that some may still be skeptical of dealing with him in the future if he is allowed back on the BST.

[John1941]

I originally voted that he should be banned, but after reading his post I'm more willing to let him stay.

[Jobu]

Both of these mistakes are certainly plausible/understandable, so I vote that we let him stay.

He should also rebuy that card now that we know there are no issues with the holder, and pay for the shipping back to him.

[Carter08]

I voted to ban early on and would like to change that vote. Also, can someone add some backstory about the Wagner pic. Very interested.

[scooter729]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I voted to ban early on and would like to change that vote. Also, can someone add some backstory about the Wagner pic. Very interested.

Guy came on here claiming he had a Wagner to sell. Everyone called BS. He posted this photoshopped pic of himself. We had a field day. The paper towels in the background certainly didn't help his cause.

Folks then proceeded to photoshop him with everything from the Mona Lisa to who knows what else. It was damn funny.

I just tried to find the thread but to no avail - can someone better than me at searching on here find it??

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I voted to ban early on and would like to change that vote. Also, can someone add some backstory about the Wagner pic. Very interested.

Here's one of them.

The Nun's Wagner
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=163800

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Here's one of them.

And here's the thread that started it all. Said he'd had the Nun's Wagner in his family for a long time.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=163782

[JollyElm]

124. Ban of the Year Roast (also Adrianaline Rush)
A thread where people gleefully celebrate a certain member being kicked off of the site.

See also: Defrostracized - when a member is allowed to return after a temporary banning.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Here's one of them.

The Nun's Wagner
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=163800

Not gonna lie, first time I read this I read Nut's Wagner....

B. T.

[BobC]

Interesting! Amazing how people rush to judgement without knowing all the facts, or being initially presented with only one side/version of a story.

[hcv123]

My opinion.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by BobC

Interesting! Amazing how people rush to judgement without knowing all the facts, or being initially presented with only one side/version of a story.

Yes and no. Most times the "aggrieved" party in a case like this isn't willing to come on and share their side of the story. The fact that he did, and is willing to take some lumps, speaks volumes about him. Life isn't a often doesn't provide perfect information, sometimes you have to make judgements with less than ideal info. Of course those judgements don't have to be irreversible. I would change my vote on this subject.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by BobC

Interesting! Amazing how people rush to judgement without knowing all the facts, or being initially presented with only one side/version of a story.

Nobody did anything wrong. Leon asked for people's opinions and he supplied the information he thought was necessary.

[commishbob]

I'm just kind of disappointed to find out Bobby Strawberry isn't someone's real name.

[perezfan]

I initially voted to ban him, but changed my mind. I thought his explanation was plausible, genuine and contrite. Moving forward, I do not think he will be a detriment to this forum, and would like to see him stick around.

[japhi]

So buyer upon registration didn't want to enter his personal info. Seems reasonable and I wonder what a full member audit would show, no idea what I entered when joining. Suspect that data is not very accurate.

Continuing, buyer is a good member for a few years, posts under his real name and has consummated multiple deals. Thinks a slab is compromised and agrees to a return with seller. Seller, on last inspection, realizes it is actually tape. Instead of reaching out to buyer, contacts forum host to have buyer banned.

Seller doesn't look great here IMO.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by japhi

So buyer upon registration didn't want to enter his personal info. Seems reasonable and I wonder what a full member audit would show, no idea what I entered when joining. Suspect that data is not very accurate.

Continuing, buyer is a good member for a few years, posts under his real name and has consummated multiple deals. Thinks a slab is compromised and agrees to a return with seller. Seller, on last inspection, realizes it is actually tape. Instead of reaching out to buyer, contacts forum host to have buyer banned.

Seller doesn't look great here IMO.

Totally not true. The seller wasn't in a panic or have his panties in a wad. He didn't ask me to ban him at all., He was just giving a heads up which I always appreciate.
The problem I see, so far, is the lying on the registration. That is going to result in something punitive. I am awaiting one more piece of info before I make the decision.
Anyone lying, for any reason, on their registration is going to get reprimanded at minimum, and possibly banned. IF you don't lie it's not a problem. And I understand why he did it.
I will be contacting other members who, I have been told, are going by something other than their real name.
As for the slab issue, I am in the camp of a non believer but I could be wrong. There is an unwritten policy on the forum whereby if no one is out any money, and the situation isn't persistent, then there is leniency given.
I appreciate folks understanding on this matter.

[Fred]

I say let him back. The explanation provided seems plausible and I can understand the hesitance to provide any personal information to sign up for a bulletin board.

If "Dave" is good with this and Matthew has provided the real information required to sign up for the board, then call it square and let it be a lesson learned that Matthew realizes that this board is legit.

Just curious, who was the player in the slab?

[scoutsout47]

I, too, believe in second chances, but there’s nothing wrong with a conditional return. On the one hand, he’s expressed seemingly genuine interest in returning to our community and demonstrated some measure of humility by contacting Leon directly with hat in hand. A certified scumbag grifter likely would’ve abstained from returning to the scene of the crime, particularly to face added scrutiny over their actions. Conversely, I am no fan of cold-feet buyers who cavalierly welch on deals. Had the upstanding seller been in a jam and needed those funds to meet his liabilities, the result would have been far worse.

If, through your good graces, you decided to allow him to reenter this community, I think it might be wise to do so on a probationary level. He’d definitely need some measure of rehabilitation before partaking of the BST boards. Assuming he fully understands the ramifications of what he’s done thus far, the bottom line is that he actually wants to be here to socialize with others and, as many of us do, receive updates on this magnificent hobby.

The last two years have been extraordinarily rough in terms of our social interaction and so these boards may be his only meaningful connection to like-minded enthusiasts. If you see fit to allow reentry, make sure it’s known that he’ll live and die in your shadow. Some of my most loyal soldiers, and now employees, were those whom I dared to offer a second chance.

Just my .02, for what it’s worth.

Jared,

[Snowman]

LOL, the irony. This member has been on my list of banned members for a while now...

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Snowman

LOL, the irony. This member has been on my list of banned members for a while now...

Net54's (likely) most ignored commenter has his own personal "banned" list. LOL, the irony!

[bobbyw8469]

Anyone with two working eyes can clearly see the case isn't cracked. I once had someone on Amazon initiate a return because the case was cracked. Obviously the CD was fine, and those cheap cases can be replaced rather easily. Amazon sided with the buyer. I asked the Amazon rep, if I bought a pair of shoes, and the box they came in was damaged could I get a refund? Basically she said I could. The buyers have WAYYYYYYY too much power these days. In this instance, the buyer was being a hardass, and I wouldn't want to sell to him.

[LEHR]

Based on what I read I voted to reinstate.

A. It's very plausible that not listing his name on the registration was a simple mistake, especially considering the persons name was listed under their ID.

B. While mistaking tape for a crack is definitely a boneheaded move, the fact that the buyer offered to make good on the deal makes me believe that there was no ill intent intended.

Just my $0.02.