Brady Retiring…

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by egri

He just made it official.

No mention of Belichick by name or the Patriots.

[egri]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

No mention of Belichick by name or the Patriots.

I noticed that too. I'm going to be optimistic and say maybe he left them off because he said his goodbyes two years ago? He doesn't seem like the type to snub anyone like that, but he's also too deliberate for that to have been an oversight.

[GasHouseGang]

Just remember, Gronk retired too. Brady might be playing with us.

[Piratedogcardshows]

Just when I started to not hate his face so much lol.

[Carter08]

Gronk will play for the Bills in 2022 - write that down.

As a huge Bill fan I have hated Brady for so many reasons but I put him as the football GOAT and probably the GOAT of all major sports. Just wondering why he was so good. Wasn’t arm strength, wasn’t mobility, certainly wasn’t top notch receivers for some of his years. My view is he comes down to a brilliant reader of defenses, an uncanny ability to not get nervous in the pocket (eyes in the back of his head to avoid pressure and just enough mobility to slide around it), odd QB sneak smarts, plenty enough arm strength, and darn good accuracy. All combined those things allowed him to put up video game numbers. Eventually he was so good that his and the Pats’ mystique got into the heads of other teams almost as much as his ridiculous ability. Oh, also important is film study and a commitment to doing whatever it takes, including maintaining his body, stemming from pure love of the game and desire to be the best. Thoughts?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Gronk will play for the Bills in 2022 - write that down.

As a huge Bill fan I have hated Brady for so many reasons but I put him as the football GOAT and probably the GOAT of all major sports. Just wondering why he was so good. Wasn’t arm strength, wasn’t mobility, certainly wasn’t top notch receivers for some of his years. My view is he comes down to a brilliant reader of defenses, an uncanny ability to not get nervous in the pocket (eyes in the back of his head to avoid pressure and just enough mobility to slide around it), odd QB sneak smarts, plenty enough arm strength, and darn good accuracy. All combined those things allowed him to put up video game numbers. Eventually he was so good that his and the Pats’ mystique got into the heads of other teams almost as much as his ridiculous ability. Oh, also important is film study and a commitment to doing whatever it takes, including maintaining his body, stemming from pure love of the game and desire to be the best. Thoughts?

It may not sound like much, but I always thought one of his great strengths was knowing when to just throw the ball away and wait for the next play or series. Obviously he threw his share of picks but a lot of those were on the receivers and my impression over the years was that he threw relatively few in important situations.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It may not sound like much, but I always thought one of his great strengths was knowing when to just throw the ball away and wait for the next play or series. Obviously he threw his share of picks but a lot of those were on the receivers and my impression over the years was that he threw relatively few in important situations.

Yeah, knowing who would be open and being able to find another guy that’s open if he isn’t. Pretty key.

[robw1959]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Gronk will play for the Bills in 2022 - write that down.

As a huge Bill fan I have hated Brady for so many reasons but I put him as the football GOAT and probably the GOAT of all major sports. Just wondering why he was so good. Wasn’t arm strength, wasn’t mobility, certainly wasn’t top notch receivers for some of his years. My view is he comes down to a brilliant reader of defenses, an uncanny ability to not get nervous in the pocket (eyes in the back of his head to avoid pressure and just enough mobility to slide around it), odd QB sneak smarts, plenty enough arm strength, and darn good accuracy. All combined those things allowed him to put up video game numbers. Eventually he was so good that his and the Pats’ mystique got into the heads of other teams almost as much as his ridiculous ability. Oh, also important is film study and a commitment to doing whatever it takes, including maintaining his body, stemming from pure love of the game and desire to be the best. Thoughts?

I agree with all of that, but on the flip side there may have been too much film study, if you know what I mean . . . ahem, the spygate scandal. And although Brady was in a key position to benefit from the Cheatriot's knowledge of their opponents signals during games, I put the blame for that scandal squarely on Bill Bellicheat. Still, I believe that scandal enabled Brady to be more successful early on than he should have been in helping him earn as many as three tainted Super Bowl championships.

I know; I know; it's poor form to say stuff like that when you're supposed to be paying tribute to a retiring great of the game like Brady, but I think it still needs to be considered as a major blemish on his NFL resume.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...deo-punishment

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by robw1959

I agree with all of that, but on the flip side there may have been too much film study, if you know what I mean . . . ahem, the spygate scandal. And although Brady was in a key position to benefit from the Cheatriot's knowledge of their opponents signals during games, I put the blame for that scandal squarely on Bill Bellicheat. Still, I believe that scandal enabled Brady to be more successful early on than he should have been in helping him earn as many as three tainted Super Bowl championships.

I know; I know; it's poor form to say stuff like that when you're supposed to be paying tribute to a retiring great of the game like Brady, but I think it still needs to be considered as a major blemish on his NFL resume.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...deo-punishment

If there’s a good reason to take him down a notch, I’m all for it!!!!

[steve B]

Originally Posted by robw1959

I agree with all of that, but on the flip side there may have been too much film study, if you know what I mean . . . ahem, the spygate scandal. And although Brady was in a key position to benefit from the Cheatriot's knowledge of their opponents signals during games, I put the blame for that scandal squarely on Bill Bellicheat. Still, I believe that scandal enabled Brady to be more successful early on than he should have been in helping him earn as many as three tainted Super Bowl championships.

I know; I know; it's poor form to say stuff like that when you're supposed to be paying tribute to a retiring great of the game like Brady, but I think it still needs to be considered as a major blemish on his NFL resume.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...deo-punishment

What sort of team uses signals that can be easily read or learned from videos of practice?
One that really doesn't want to win.
I'm sure there are guys who can sit in the stands and memorize that stuff without a camcorder. And I'm also sure every team employs at least one or two.

Heck, Tony Romo as a broadcaster was saying what plays were before teams ran them just going off where the different players lined up.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Just wondering why he was so good. Wasn’t arm strength, wasn’t mobility, certainly wasn’t top notch receivers for some of his years. My view is he comes down to a brilliant reader of defenses, an uncanny ability to not get nervous in the pocket (eyes in the back of his head to avoid pressure and just enough mobility to slide around it), odd QB sneak smarts, plenty enough arm strength, and darn good accuracy. All combined those things allowed him to put up video game numbers. Eventually he was so good that his and the Pats’ mystique got into the heads of other teams almost as much as his ridiculous ability. Oh, also important is film study and a commitment to doing whatever it takes, including maintaining his body, stemming from pure love of the game and desire to be the best. Thoughts?

Agree, and the same analysis has been used to describe The Great One (Wayne Gretzky.) He wasn't the fastest skater, the biggest, the strongest, he didn't have he hardest shot.......

[egri]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Agree, and the same analysis has been used to describe The Great One (Wayne Gretzky.) He wasn't the fastest skater, the biggest, the strongest, he didn't have he hardest shot.......

To me, what sums that up is the clip from SB 51 of two Falcons on the sideline, and one of them is saying “We’re about to drop 40 on them” and the second one says “we’ve got to.” The first one says “they’ve never seen anything like this” and the response is “It’s Tom Brady though.”

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Agree, and the same analysis has been used to describe The Great One (Wayne Gretzky.) He wasn't the fastest skater, the biggest, the strongest, he didn't have he hardest shot.......

But Gretzky had an uncanny ability to see openings and to read defenses, similar to Brady.

[nolemmings]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

https://www.aol.com/deflategate-deta...221153349.html

[egri]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.aol.com/deflategate-deta...221153349.html

My thermodynamics professor had worked on the Apollo program at NASA; a couple days after that scandal broke, he spent an entire lesson debunking the NFL's case.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by egri

My thermodynamics professor had worked on the Apollo program at NASA; a couple days after that scandal broke, he spent an entire lesson debunking the NFL's case.

The whole thing was surreal.

[robw1959]

Maybe so, maybe so. But as Mike Tomlin said a few years ago when detailing some of the disadvantages that visiting teams have had to deal with, "... It's always the Patriots." For example, his team had never had any trouble with radio headset communications anywhere in the NFL except at Gillette Stadium (and his wasn't the only visiting team that had those same issues).

[steve B]

Originally Posted by egri

My thermodynamics professor had worked on the Apollo program at NASA; a couple days after that scandal broke, he spent an entire lesson debunking the NFL's case.

The gas laws are or at least were HS physics. Reinforced in college.
I hadn't bothered with the math in decades, but did some when they gave numbers.

When they showed the guages used by the officials, to me that was the clincher.
The ones used were cheap stuff you can get anywhere for a few bucks. Even most decent guages are only accurate 5% lower end of the range 3% mid range and 5% upper end. The cheap ones are more like 10-5-10. And they were using them at the lower end of the range. A difference within the accuracy range of the guage is essentially no difference.
(So if the guage goes to 100psi, a 15 psi reading will actually be between 5 and 25. or between 10 and 20 using a slightly better guage.

The bent pin may have also changed the reading but I'm not certain of that.

Now if they'd used a calibrated guage that was something like 1% .5% 1% that would be a different thing altogether.