2022 Baseball Hall of Fame - tracker

jiw98 · #1 01-24-2022, 12:59 PM

I've often wondered how a guy that don't make the HOF in their first year of eligibility can be elected in future years. Did their stats change after they retired? My thoughts are that either you are good enough for the Hall or your not. How can you vote for a player in say year 4 or 5 but not in year one? If the voters can't see the difference between a great player and good player maybe they aren't qualified to vote. JMO

Eric72 · #2 01-24-2022, 01:11 PM

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I've often wondered how a guy that don't make the HOF in their first year of eligibility can be elected in future years. Did their stats change after they retired? My thoughts are that either you are good enough for the Hall or your not. How can you vote for a player in say year 4 or 5 but not in year one? If the voters can't see the difference between a great player and good player maybe they aren't qualified to vote. JMO

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BCauley · #3 01-24-2022, 01:15 PM

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I've often wondered how a guy that don't make the HOF in their first year of eligibility can be elected in future years. Did their stats change after they retired? My thoughts are that either you are good enough for the Hall or your not. How can you vote for a player in say year 4 or 5 but not in year one? If the voters can't see the difference between a great player and good player maybe they aren't qualified to vote. JMO

This is pretty similar to how I view it as well. I know there is a "thing" where people don't feel some players are first ballot HOF worthy, whatever that's supposed to mean, but get voted for the following year(s). If you think they are a HOF player, then vote for them. I don't understand the reasoning for all the games behind it. Last I knew the HOF doesn't have different wings/corridors for HOFers based on what ballot year they got in.

jimtodd · #4 01-24-2022, 01:56 PM

Right now only 47% of ballots known, so not crazy accurate yet. Looks like the past few years they got 83%-84% of ballots by the end and had pretty close outcomes.
I agree, I never understood if the same voter penalizes a player by not voting for him the first year, but will the second. I understand if you change your mind about a player, but it doesn�t make sense to intentionally do it.

3B is traditionally overlooked by the Hall, and Rolen is a top 10 3B all-time in WAR. I hope he gets in. According to this he�s close again.

53toppscollector · #5 01-24-2022, 02:00 PM

Its insane to me that Bonds is not going to get voted in on the regular ballot. There are a lot of guys in the HoF who have transgressions as bad or worse than what Bonds allegedly did. And even if you subtract everything Bonds did in SF, the first part of career would have made him HoF worthy. The greatest player I've ever seen, and I don't think its really all that close.

Lucas00 · #6 01-24-2022, 02:13 PM

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Its insane to me that Bonds is not going to get voted in on the regular ballot. There are a lot of guys in the HoF who have transgressions as bad or worse than what Bonds allegedly did. And even if you subtract everything Bonds did in SF, the first part of career would have made him HoF worthy. The greatest player I've ever seen, and I don't think its really all that close.

Have to disagree on the best ever. Hank Aaron is better in almost every stat except a handful of home runs. I think Hank is often overshadow by Willie as well who he also had superior stats to.
Conclusion, buy Hank Aaron rookie cards

53toppscollector · #7 01-24-2022, 02:48 PM

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Have to disagree on the best ever. Hank Aaron is better in almost every stat except a handful of home runs. I think Hank is often overshadow by Willie as well who he also had superior stats to.
Conclusion, buy Hank Aaron rookie cards

I said that I've ever seen. I'm maybe younger than you and never saw Aaron play

Lucas00 · #8 01-24-2022, 02:58 PM

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I said that I've ever seen. I'm maybe younger than you and never saw Aaron play

Ah, sorry I actually am also too young to have seen Hank play. Guess I glazed over the post a bit quick. But I still wanted to share that 🤣

HOF Auto Rookies · #9 01-25-2022, 09:31 AM

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Have to disagree on the best ever. Hank Aaron is better in almost every stat except a handful of home runs. I think Hank is often overshadow by Willie as well who he also had superior stats to.
Conclusion, buy Hank Aaron rookie cards

No chance Aaron is better than Bonds. Not even close. It's more than stats.

Lucas00 · #10 01-25-2022, 03:20 PM

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No chance Aaron is better than Bonds. Not even close. It's more than stats.

What? There is no other way to decide who's a better player than using stats. What is beyond stats that makes bonds come anywhere close to being a better player than Hank? I can't find it.

Bigdaddy · #11 01-25-2022, 10:53 PM

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No chance Aaron is better than Bonds. Not even close. It's more than stats.

You're right, it's more than stats. Let's revisit how Barry's ignorance/arrogance lost the NLCS to the Braves in 1992, by not being able to throw out Sid Bream, the slowest runner in the history of runners, at home on a base hit. And this was before the 'roid usage in SF. From Wikipedia (with references):

"On the third pitch, with Belinda behind, 2-0, Cabrera ripped a foul line drive to left field. After the play, Van Slyke and Bonds got into a brief argument as Van Slyke signaled to the left fielder to move in so he could cut off a potential single and keep the runners from scoring; Bonds gave Van Slyke the finger and refused to move.[16][23][24] Sure enough, Cabrera again lined a pitch to left that dropped in front of Bonds for a hit.[25] Justice scored from third easily, which tied the game.[16][21][24] Bonds came up with the ball, but was out of position and had to throw across his body.[24][25] Third base coach Jimy Williams spotted this as Bream, running on five-times surgically repaired knees and thus, one of the slowest baserunners in the league, got to him at third. Williams decided to wave Bream in, thinking the off balance throw might not reach catcher Mike LaValliere in time for him to tag the slow-footed first baseman. Bonds' throw was indeed offline, which caused LaValliere to move to his right to field the ball just before Bream got to the plate. The extra motion allowed Bream to slide in ahead of LaValliere's tag, and the Braves won, 3–2.[16]"

Barry did things at the plate that I've never seen anyone else do. But Barry always put Barry first, and in a team game, that doesn't fly. And I don't know how stats measure that. So you are right, his measure is beyond stats.

Gorditadogg · #12 01-24-2022, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

Its insane to me that Bonds is not going to get voted in on the regular ballot. There are a lot of guys in the HoF who have transgressions as bad or worse than what Bonds allegedly did. And even if you subtract everything Bonds did in SF, the first part of career would have made him HoF worthy. The greatest player I've ever seen, and I don't think its really all that close.

If Mantle had taken steroids he could have played til he was 42 and hit 1,100 HRs. Just saying.

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Yoda · #13 01-25-2022, 10:26 AM

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If Mantle had taken steroids he could have played til he was 42 and hit 1,100 HRs. Just saying.

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Long live the Mick, but I don't think mixing vodka and steroids is such a wise choice.

z28jd · #14 01-24-2022, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

Its insane to me that Bonds is not going to get voted in on the regular ballot. There are a lot of guys in the HoF who have transgressions as bad or worse than what Bonds allegedly did. And even if you subtract everything Bonds did in SF, the first part of career would have made him HoF worthy. The greatest player I've ever seen, and I don't think its really all that close.

I completely agree here. Todd Helton is a habitual drunk driver, who has served jail time for it and he's left the scene of an accident. You're telling me that someone who did steroids is a worse person than that? Not on the planet I live on. Helton put people in danger who knows how many times in his life. If he ever makes it to Cooperstown, I hope he uses an Uber to get there. It's insane to me that Helton is picking up votes in the same year that Vizquel is (deservedly) losing votes by the boatload for what he did off of the field. Imagine Wade Boggs, who lost his mom to a drunk driver, having to sit on the stage while they celebrate Helton...that alone should make voters think twice about him.

dmats33312 · #15 01-24-2022, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

Its insane to me that Bonds is not going to get voted in on the regular ballot. There are a lot of guys in the HoF who have transgressions as bad or worse than what Bonds allegedly did. And even if you subtract everything Bonds did in SF, the first part of career would have made him HoF worthy. The greatest player I've ever seen, and I don't think its really all that close.

Like David Ortiz, who actually tested positive when Bonds was just on the Mitchell report (not to say Bonds didn't use, he did but Ortiz tested positive.). And Ortiz is a fringe HoFer with 55.3 WAR (regardless for who believe in it as a stat or not). I have no clue how Ortiz will get votes and not Bonds and others already got in like Bagwell, Rodriguez, Piazza and more while Clemens, Palmeiro, Sosa, McGwire and Bonds were superior players and need the veterans committee.

53toppscollector · #16 01-24-2022, 04:12 PM

Bonds drew 688 intentional walks in his career. He drew 120 intentional walks in 2004 alone. That 120 total would have been good enough for the 94th highest career total in history. And he did that in one season. At age 39. Steroids or no, he was an unbelievable hitter, and I don't think the steroids helped him hit the ball further or swing faster. Recover more quickly? Maybe. But he was an absolutely freakishly good hitter. One of the best to ever do it.

Aquarian Sports Cards · #17 01-24-2022, 05:02 PM

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Bonds drew 688 intentional walks in his career. He drew 120 intentional walks in 2004 alone. That 120 total would have been good enough for the 94th highest career total in history. And he did that in one season. At age 39. Steroids or no, he was an unbelievable hitter, and I don't think the steroids helped him hit the ball further or swing faster. Recover more quickly? Maybe. But he was an absolutely freakishly good hitter. One of the best to ever do it.

So he magically got even better in his late 30's but 'roids didn't help his performance. RIIIIIIGHHHHT

Peter_Spaeth · #18 01-24-2022, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

Bonds drew 688 intentional walks in his career. He drew 120 intentional walks in 2004 alone. That 120 total would have been good enough for the 94th highest career total in history. And he did that in one season. At age 39. Steroids or no, he was an unbelievable hitter, and I don't think the steroids helped him hit the ball further or swing faster. Recover more quickly? Maybe. But he was an absolutely freakishly good hitter. One of the best to ever do it.

I guess they should not be called performance enhancing drugs then, wonder why people call them that?

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