Running list of 2022 Hobby Scams

[irv]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Tracking it over at Blowout. 7 major scandals already in only three weeks. Two multi-million dollar losses! Solid pace.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?p=17942920

Thanks for posting this up, John.

Curious, as I didn't see it, is there a vid of them opening the Pokeman box only to find G.I. Joe packs?
I seen a partial vid and that is it?

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by irv

Curious, as I didn't see it, is there a vid of them opening the Pokeman box only to find G.I. Joe packs?

I think case owner Logan Paul's youtube video is going to be the best we're going to get, unless it is overturned to law enforcement. Even then, we might not see it.

[irv]

Originally Posted by swarmee

I think case owner Logan Paul's youtube video is going to be the best we're going to get, unless it is overturned to law enforcement. Even then, we might not see it.

Thanks for letting me know.

[swarmee]

Added a new one to the main post.

I am strongly of the opinion that no TPG should be certifying cards as authentic deserving a number grade without verifying that the autograph and patch are original to the card. Is this impossible? Possibly. Maybe patches are a bridge too far. But authentication is their #1 job, and they're getting it wrong so often it's ridiculous and customers need to demand better.

We know at least 10 players who either used autopens or had family members sign for them. Cards with streaky or faded autos are being wiped down and re-signed either by the original player or a forger. Autos are being re-touched by alterers.

Sticker autos are being added to base cards and scammers are printing "Panini Authenticated Auto" on the back. Patches are getting swapped for jersey pieces with more colorful patches on them, some straight from Wal-Mart.

None of the grading companies, to my knowledge, notify you that they do not authenticate the autos or patches despite grading the card. If so, it's buried 30 pages deep on their website. If they're not willing to authenticate the auto or patch are true and original, they should disclose that ON THE SLABS.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Added a new one to the main post.



I am strongly of the opinion that no TPG should be certifying cards as authentic deserving a number grade without verifying that the autograph and patch are original to the card. Is this impossible? Possibly. Maybe patches are a bridge too far. But authentication is their #1 job, and they're getting it wrong so often it's ridiculous and customers need to demand better.



We know at least 10 players who either used autopens or had family members sign for them. Cards with streaky or faded autos are being wiped down and re-signed either by the original player or a forger. Autos are being re-touched by alterers.



Sticker autos are being added to base cards and scammers are printing "Panini Authenticated Auto" on the back. Patches are getting swapped for jersey pieces with more colorful patches on them, some straight from Wal-Mart.



None of the grading companies, to my knowledge, notify you that they do not authenticate the autos or patches despite grading the card. If so, it's buried 30 pages deep on their website. If they're not willing to authenticate the auto or patch are true and original, they should disclose that ON THE SLABS.

Doesn't Topps state on their cards that all autographs are signed in front of a representative?

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[swarmee]

Originally Posted by todeen

Doesn't Topps state on their cards that all autographs are signed in front of a representative?

Topps may, but there are many ways to circumvent it. Wiping a streaky or faded auto is one.

Topps also printed these cards and released them into 2017 Topps Update packs a few years ago:


https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...light=clemente

50 cards were marked TOPPS CERTIFIED AUTO, and were released in packs unautographed. The checklist included dead players like Ted Williams and Roberto Clemente. Theoretically those could be signed by forgers and sent in under TPGs rules and may not be required to be reviewed for authenticity. In this case, most of the TPGs are probably aware, but BGS and PSA have both authenticated autographed cards printed after the deaths of their subjects because they didn't do the research before certifying the cards or autos properly.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Topps may, but there are many ways to circumvent it. Wiping a streaky or faded auto is one.

Topps also printed these cards and released them into packs a few years ago:


https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...light=clemente

50 cards were marked TOPPS CERTIFIED AUTO, and were released in packs unautographed. The checklist included dead players like Ted Williams and Roberto Clemente. Theoretically those could be signed by forgers and sent in under TPGs rules and may not be required to be reviewed for authenticity. In this case, most of the TPGs are probably aware, but BGS and PSA have both authenticated autographed cards printed after the deaths of their subjects because they didn't do the research before certifying the cards or autos properly.

Wow, I didn't know those existed cuz I don't follow modern very closely. I do collect Votto, MiLB and RC, and that would be a funny card to own.

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[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

Great list thanks for keeping us updated John. Heard the PWCC auction yesterday was a real mess.